Dullahan

[bdw0617]

now im still not set on my key horse in the derby yet...getting real close .....but Hansen will not be the leader in the derby...no no no...HE WILL BE THE STALKER ....and that will bode very well for him to get first jump on the leaders....that move works well in the derby.....Dullahan ran lights out ...nice exacta

depends on post position.

if he is stuck inside he isn't going to have a choice.
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[jagger]

I don't know. That "drop from the clouds" strategy worked pretty well for Zenyatta and many others actually.

[bdw0617]

zenyatta ain't walking though that starting gate my friend.

[westover]

I have to say I was more impressed with Hansen at Keeneland, no matter how the Derby plays out, Hansen is the real deal

[Joltman]

I think his best chance is to drop in and back and work out a trip, maybe up the rail like his half brother. Too bad Calvin's not up.

He will be coming late, guaranteed. There is plenty of early, tactical speed to keep the fractions fast. Hansen will run a great mile and an eighth, may gut it out for a spot on the board.

jm

[Sailor Kenshin]

I love Hansen, and can't wait for that blue tail. But ignorant as I am, I don't think he's a distance horse. However, anything can happen.

I remember Shackleford running the race of his life in the Preakness, and not really winning much after that. I just hope he retires sound and becomes a great stud.

(I didn't take him in the Preakness, BTW. The fractiousness and washy-ness scared me off. I took---yes---SWAY AWAY. Lol. I did get Ruler on Ice in the Belmont, strictly because I heard he was a mudder.)

[Shammy Davis]

The odds of a half brother to a former KD winner winning the 2012 KD must be astronomical. Can't recall this happening in either the KD or Preakness (within my lifetime) but 1/2 siblings Jazil and Rags to Riches come to mind in the Belmont.

[Lisann]

The guy I buy sawdust from tipped me on Dullahan before has last race. Told me his doctor is one of the owners and that they've got a horse who will win the Derby.

Have to give props to my sawdust guy. He even owned a cheap claimer at one point in time.

[Joltman]

The odds of a half brother to a former KD winner winning the 2012 KD must be astronomical. Can't recall this happening in either the KD or Preakness (within my lifetime) but 1/2 siblings Jazil and Rags to Riches come to mind in the Belmont.

Giacomo and Tiago?

[Shammy Davis]

Well, yes, but I was thinking the same race. But in the classic sense, you are absolutely right.

[pfrsue]

AP Indy and Summer Squall were not too shabby for half brothers in the Classics.

[zinn21]

Sir Gaylord and Secretariat were half brothers. Sir Gaylord did not win the Derby but was the favorite going into the Derby prior to fracturing a sesamoid.

[Shammy Davis]

I agree with all of you. My "point" though is that the odds of a sibling or half-sibling winning the same TC classic race is very "slim." Think about the number of incidences when siblings and half siblings have won the same or another TC classic or the same Grade 1 stakes in the last 40 years beginning with Secretariat and Sir Gaylord and the like. Not very many. That's why it is such a big deal.

No one would happier than me to see Dullahan win the KD. I thought his last race was very professional. My thoughts on Mind That Bird are that he matured early and retired early. Hope Dullahan is not on the same schedule.

[bdw0617]

I think mine that bird is a LOT better than his critics give him credit for.

I think he was the most mismanaged horse of the entire decade honestly and if given a trainer who had any type of long term plan and patience he would still be running strong today.

instead he was handled by 2 trainers who say him as a meal ticket to the big show and he ran accordingly. his training routines had no rhyme or reason, i mean in retrospect lukas running MTB in the firecracker is probably the stupidest training decision i have ever seen.

he wasn't as talented as quality road, but he was a true handicap horse and on his best day you would have to have your running shoes to beat him. IMHO his best race was the preakness not the derby he wins that preakness 9 out of 10 times and is going into Belmont as a TC hopeful but rachale was just in a class by herself


what i am trying to say in a long winded way is I actually do not think he is as good as his brother was. he just has better management around him which is allowing his talents to be shown in the right way. But if you put them in the same gate in their prime MTB runs by DH going 10F on the dirt

[bayrabicano]

... in retrospect lukas running MTB in the firecracker is probably the stupidest training decision i have ever seen.

because?