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RHF's new Mystery Colored TB Stallion

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:25 pm
by reedhill
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Hello All, RHF is excited to show TB stallion, barn name "STETSON"!
He is listed on our webshots as paint.
He is definately on the small side, but a genetic MYSTERY!
To let you all know, His sire is black, out of black and chestnut parents, and his dam is grey out of black and grey parents.
We are keeping his pedigree a secret until we pull lots of hair and have him genetically tested for everything!
We look forward to your comments!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:44 pm
by RiddleMeThis
I bet he's chimeric. I would pull mane hairs that are red at the root and test those. Then pull hairs that are black at the root and test those separately.

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:57 pm
by reedhill
I know, I think if I sent them mixed hairs, they would keep asking for new samples, but eventually they have to know it's the smae horse.

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:08 pm
by reedhill
I'm thinking possible overo??

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:10 pm
by accphotography
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he is in the hands of someone who understands color and cares to find out what is going on with him. I am just THRILLED about every aspect of this!! YAY!!!!

On another note, why don't you come over to EC and post him. There are some people there that would LOVE to see this!!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:12 pm
by reedhill
http://www.brindlehorses.com/brinslides/hershey.htm

He's a long ways from Brindle, but could be a big blotchy one?
Look at this pony, how his brindling seems to have blotched into light chestnut and medium gret patches with white overo markings?

http://www.brindlehorses.com/brinslides/minin.htm

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:20 pm
by accphotography
I'm fairly certain he wouldn't fall into the "brindle" category as right now the term brindle is based solely on phenotype... a phenotype he doesn't fit. He definitely fits the chimeric phenotype though. He reminds me tremendously of:

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This boy may come the closest we could ever come to know what that Icelandic really was.

Hey... who IS he?? What's his name? Pedigree? LOL

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:53 pm
by Derby Lyn
Does he have any foals on the ground yet? I'd like to see what he throws and where that sabino-ness comes from. He's cool!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:20 pm
by TrueColours
Well - he is the most damned unusual looking animal I have ever seen! :)

Where did you ever find him and when will we find out his name and bloodlines?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:31 pm
by accphotography
We'll know alot more after the chimera tests. If he is a chimera he won't reproduce it sadly. :evil:

That white on the other hand should definitely be heritable... and I'm about 98% certain it's splash. *dances about wildly with glee*

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:34 pm
by TrueColours
Yeah - my vote goes for splash as well ... :)

Is chimera-ism not heritable at all, in any way shape or form? I thought there were some AQHA stallions that were replicating the chimera pattern on a 50/50 basis. Am I wrong on that?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:42 pm
by madelyn
A true chimera has TWO sets of DNA, and is the result of twins who combined. Each offspring will only get one set. A chimera cannot reproduce its peculiar markings, which are the result of the two separate sets of DNA.

Remember Catch a Bird? He was a chimera

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:43 pm
by reedhill
Thank you all! You are right, there is a QH farm that is breeding brindle QH's and they are getting many of them! I will Google and find her farm for here.

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:44 pm
by TrueColours
Oh yes - remember Catch A Bird well ... but through his chimerism he DID produce some verifiable "real" roan TB's as well, even though the JC insisted that "roans dont exist in the TB breed" ... :roll:

But arent there some AQHA chimera stallions that ARE producing 50% chimera offspring?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:45 pm
by glenhill farm
Very cool. Congratulations!