Pedigree Query

World's best sprinters meet this Saturday at Flemington in the Lightning Stakes 5f

6-04.10 COOLMORE LIGHTNING STAKES (1000 METRES)
Of $750000 and $2500 trophy. 1st $450000 and trophy of $2500, 2nd $135000, 3rd $67500, 4th $33750, 5th $18750, 6th $15000, 7th $15000, 8th $15000.
Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 1).
No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM
No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Handicapper
Rating
1 HAY LIST John McNair Glyn Schofield 10 58.5 115
2 GRAND DUELS Byron Cozamanis Steven Arnold 5 58.5 108
3 TRUE PERSUASION Mick Price Craig Newitt 8 58.5 98
4 LEAPFROG Bruce W Hill Paul Hammersley 1 58.5 89
5 TOLLESPRIT Shane Fliedner James Winks 9 58.5 94
6 KING PULSE Michael Moroney Mark Zahra 3 58.5 99
7 BLACK CAVIAR Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 7 56.5 118
8 STIRLING GROVE Richard Jolly Craig Williams 2 55.5 94
9 CRYSTAL LILY Mathew Ellerton & Simon Zahra Damien Oliver 4 53.5 107
10 WARM LOVE David Brideoake Ben Melham 6 53.5 94


She won by several lengths. 9-0!

It's 13 for 13 now and nothing can get near her,racing right handed in Sydney and Brisbane was new for her but she gobbled up a monster in HAY LIST and made him look second rate again,absolutely remarkable!

I watched her win her 17th last night on TV and was very impressed. She seems to have learned to relax better in the early stages, too. Won in a gallop by almost five lengths.

Love her pedigree. She exemplifies what I have coined as a "reflective inbreeding," that is her parents' pedigree "mirror" each other. Certainly her 3 x 4 to VAIN accounts for much of her zip.

I will be very interested in watching her perform on the international stage later this year.

simply the best, superior.

on to dubai?

jm

Joltman wrote:simply the best, superior.

on to dubai?

jm

Someone with real guts should ship to Australia with a challenger.

Bast wrote:

Joltman wrote:simply the best, superior.

on to dubai?

jm

Someone with real guts should ship to Australia with a challenger.

Like who? Dream Ahead, last year's Cartier sprinter, is retired. Kinshasa no Kiseki is a nice horse but not up to BC's level. JJ the Jet Plane won the Hong Kong Sprint 2 years ago, but hasn't won past the Gr-2 level since. Rocket Man maybe, if he's on the form that won him the 2011 Dubai Golden Shaheen but he hasn't been at that form since. The US-based turf sprinters aren't up to that level. Maybe there's somebody in South America who's that good, but considering Aussie turf sprinters are the best in the world, maybe not.

kimberley mine wrote:

Bast wrote:

Joltman wrote:simply the best, superior.

on to dubai?

jm

Someone with real guts should ship to Australia with a challenger.

Like who? Dream Ahead, last year's Cartier sprinter, is retired. Kinshasa no Kiseki is a nice horse but not up to BC's level. JJ the Jet Plane won the Hong Kong Sprint 2 years ago, but hasn't won past the Gr-2 level since. Rocket Man maybe, if he's on the form that won him the 2011 Dubai Golden Shaheen but he hasn't been at that form since. The US-based turf sprinters aren't up to that level. Maybe there's somebody in South America who's that good, but considering Aussie turf sprinters are the best in the world, maybe not.

I'm not sure of a specific challenger, but since it is possible to ship to Dubai and win, it should also be possible to ship anywhere else with a top horse and have a chance at a competitive effort. Except for Dubai, Americans tend to expect the world to ship here, and rarely go elsewhere. When was the last time an American-trained horse contested the Arc?

Bast wrote:I'm not sure of a specific challenger, but since it is possible to ship to Dubai and win, it should also be possible to ship anywhere else with a top horse and have a chance at a competitive effort. Except for Dubai, Americans tend to expect the world to ship here, and rarely go elsewhere. When was the last time an American-trained horse contested the Arc?

That's kind of a non sequitur, about the Arc, and FWIW the US would never have been on the list for a horse like Black Caviar. If she were going to go international, it would be to a place where the prize money is worth the time, expense, hassle, and danger of travel. There isn't a single turf sprint anywhere in the US worth that nonsense. Dubai softens the blow by paying the travel costs of the best horses--not sure about HK or Singapore.

I am now the proud owner of a lock of hair pulled from Black Caviar's tail last month at her stables in Caulfield Racecourse, Melbourne, Victoria,Australia. I will weave it around the browband of my race bridle and hope that perhaps a micro atom of the great mare's DNA can boost my chances. Hey ,don't laugh ,it's absolutely true and we all need a little help from a third party sometimes.

That was a short thing - Black Caviar almost failed because of the overconfidence of her rider, who thought the race was over some 10 m before the line!

I would prefer to see BLACK CAVIAR saying goodbye as an undefeated
Thoroughbred for the ages rather than slowly fading away with a blemished record like it happened to CAMARERO back in 1956. I would have concluded with 55 wins not 56.