Wrong horse in PQ Stakes-winner listings

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:11 am

A friend of mine found Cadmus (by American Eclipse, born 1831) as winner of the 1934 Prix du Conseil Municipal de Paris.

Well, a certain Cadmus won that race - but it was definitely not one registered in the PQ database actually.

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:28 pm

It had been fixed.

The correct Cadmus, a 1930 colt by Bahadur, was not yet in the database.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:06 am

Thank you very much, Lucy!

I researched for only some 15 minutes and didn't find anything. Because of his name, I presumed 'Asterus' was his sire - a prominent horse at stud in those days.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:50 am

There is another one:

Doctor Syntax (born 1812, died 1838 according to the database) won the Cambridgeshire of 1842?

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:40 pm

Fixed.

That year's winner was Ralph, a 1938 son of Doctor Syntax.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:52 pm

@Lucy: A friend of mine would say: "great digging"! :wink:

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:28 am

Who is the correct winner of the 1983 Cambridgeshire Handicap?

Here

http://www.tbheritage.com/TurfHallmarks ... shire.html
is another Sagamore shown as in the PQ-database.

Thanks for information!

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:41 pm

TBH has the right Sagamore.

It's fixed now.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:39 am

Thank you, Lucy! Would you be so kind to name the source of your information?

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:25 pm

parlo wrote:Thank you, Lucy! Would you be so kind to name the source of your information?

From the Bloodlines.net stakes database, double-checked with the APR.

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:29 am

Thank you

parlo · Postby **parlo** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:21 pm

There are two Glacis, born 1904, in the PQ-data base. The English was placed in the Cesarewitch of 1908 and the Russian was second in the Doncaster Cup in the same year?

Is this really right or are the Cesarewitch and the Docaster Cup-horse identical, i. e. the English horse sired by Carbine?

Does anybody know? Seems like another tricky task for Lucy! :wink:

Thanks in advance.

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:41 pm

I was able to confirm both pedigrees exist.

While I could not find actual proof, it appears that the horse we have as Glacis6 never left Russia. Meanwhile, the son of Carbine was active in English Cups & Handicaps in 1908, so I am reasonably certain this is the horse that placed in both the Cesarewitch and the Doncaster, and have adjusted the database accordingly.