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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:53 am 
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As the proud owner of a single maiden mare in the UK,I am about to chose a stallion for her first cover. She is by Kyllachy x kootenay by selkirk. She is a 3 time winner over 7f/8f in class 4 handicaps. 15.3 h and very good topline. Good looking. Quite correct in front with no obvious confirmation faults. Dam a 3x listed winner, group placed, but has produced nothing as good as herself. My mares 3/4 ( pivotal) sister has produced 2 good animals. I want to retain this mare long term so I need a proven stallion whose progeny sell well. My max stud fee is 12k gbp.

My short list is:

fast company- lovely hypo pedigree , produces winners, but doesn't make money. People would think I was mad.

Bated breath- supposedly a good nick, sire very popular. makes money from good looking stock, but slightly disappointing.
hasn't done well with close relatives to my mare. Perhaps the obvious choice but i am wary.

Dream ahead--produces winners at all levels but strangely unpopular at the sales. I like this sire.

Tamayuz- produces winners at all levels and very good sales results. Probably not universally popular ( nayef ).
hypo pedigree 2x5 nureyev but otherwise difficult to evaluate. Maybe the best value v foal sale v race ability.

Given that her dam is a half sister to sans frontiers and hans hobein a galileo stallion would be a great fit. However though lots available, too expensive and unproven. Maybe later. Iffraaj also obvious but unaffordable. Dutch art gone cold.

I am about to go with tamayuz. I would appreciate comments and any other recommendation


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 Post subject: Re: mating advice
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:19 pm 
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Are you breeding to race the foal(s) yourself or sell them? Makes all the difference in the US, as the market here likes what it likes and you need to fit that profile (i.e. high crusing speed very desirable). The needs in the Euro market are different, but there is no substitute for speed in the stallion's race record, particularly if he could carry it a distance of ground. In the US, even the best of stayers are shunned.

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 Post subject: Re: mating advice
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:21 am 
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The market is not so different in the UK. Pinhookers particularly focus on speed and many breeders look for early returns with speed stallions. All those new galileo stallions might find it difficult to fill their nominations.They won't all be frankel.
I need to sell the first one or two foals and hopefully get to keep one later. My stallion short list are all 6f sprinters with the exception of tamayuz who was a top class miler. They all produce 6f/8f sprinter milers though tamayuz produce can get further.. Since my mare is by Kyllachy ( pure speed} and won over 7 and 8 furlongs, I expect this mating to result in a miler which can hopefully win over shorter as a 2 year old. If all goes well I will probably do something similar with a second mating before taking a few more risks later. I appreciate your response.


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