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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:36 am 
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I haven't seen Justin Phillip in person, but I like him more than Data Link commercially. I really like First Samurai, and he's the same price as JP.

I actually was going to mention Tale of Ekati, but is his first crop 2-year-olds now? Risky?


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Yes I thought about Justin Phillip also but bc he is not proven yet I will shy away.

Still want to find another proven storm cat stallion to consider.

Artie Schiller
First Samurai
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Forestry is about the best Storm Cat son other than Giants Causeway

If Giants Causeway can't sire a G1 winner from his chances with AP Indy line mares and the nick is rated a C, do you think First Samurai can do better with your mare?

Personally I think Artie Schiller is the way to go.

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I have seen a lot of Justin Phillip on TV and in pics . . . (I would have bought him if I was in the game yet/had funds . . . love that family), but not in person. But because of my interest I have studied him. Observations...very stocky build, short, thick neck. strong, round quarters. He ran off before his frst start and was apparently a bit of a handful to train early. Pretty inconsistent, especially younger, but played the game till five and did better as he aged.

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First Samurai's book has been closed for a while.

I saw Justin Phillip this week and was very impressed with him - 16.2, length of neck, deep shoulder, good heart girth, length of body and good hip; good through his knees. He also is a beautiful mover, has a great, gliding walk. I booked a client's mare to him that day.

Unproven, yes but 32 starts certainly is an indication of soundness, and he retired sound. Not many of those in today's stud book.

Also has a very good & current family - 3 Graded Stakes winning 1/2 brothers plus a listed stakes winning 1/2 sister.

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madelyn wrote:
I Really Like this mare, pedigree-wise, with Big Brown. Once in a while it also happens that what screams at me in a particular cross also rates an A++ nick rating, which this cross does.. he's in KY and in your price range.


Madelyn, for my own education, can you point out specifically what you like in her hypo pedigree with Big Brown? Thanks!

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Just a teensy segue here, please forgive me. I went to the Castleton Lyons site to check out Justin Phillip, and...

Is it just me, or is it really too much to ask a multi-million dollar operation to have "conformation" spelled correctly on its website?

I mean, Gio Ponti has a $25,000 stud fee. They couldn't afford a proofreader who understands the industry's terminology?

Okay, mini-rant over. Thank you for your patience. :)


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Perhaps it is because the Castleton Lyons people are devout Irish Catholics and even their stallion have to go through confirmation class? :lol:

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After the Donn, First Samurai looks good. He's booked up, but it sounds like Justin Philip might be a nice one to breed to.


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[quote="dublino"]You'd be better of sending the mare to the slaughter house than mating to Big Brown.

Well, aren't you dear? :twisted:


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I wouldn't guess with her. Very much of a contemporary pedigree without much to go on with respect to the next generation.
I'd spend the $50 and get a Key Ancestors Report and look for the best match.
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