During
Moderators: Roguelet, WaveMaster, madelyn
On Saturday mornings here, we have Thoroughbred Week, a half hour wrap-up of the week's stakes races. Great show with equally great commercials. Was walking on my treadmill, watched During's commercial, thought he looked more impressive than I remembered him being, and wondered if he might be next year's Yonaguska.
<OK, probably not much help, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
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<OK, probably not much help, but I figured I'd throw it out there.
>LSB, I am more concerned that you were walking on your treadmill... wasn't the weather nice enough for you to be outside, walking around your "neighborhood", (given where you live... that "neigh-borhood" remark is actually kinda' funny, especially the "neigh" part).
You really have to talk your significant other into putting up some fences and a barn! I probably walked a couple miles today... with weights (fence posts, hammer, water hose, hay, feed, etc.). Also have a pretty extensive weight lifting regiment... hay bales, bags of feed, feed tubs.
Okay... I gotta admit, we have a treadmill also... makes a great place to hang the laundry.
Thanks for the input, however. He certainly doesn't have the race record that Yonaguska had... but, there are some things to like about him. Interesting you brought up Yonaguska... because I am considering him also. Guess I'll have to see During next week. I am looking for a replacement mate for the mare I was going to send to Devil's Bag... I'll be looking at Horse Chestnut also. I need bone and, if possible, some height with this mare (even though she is 15-3, she has quite a bit of body which needs to be spread out a little more).
You really have to talk your significant other into putting up some fences and a barn! I probably walked a couple miles today... with weights (fence posts, hammer, water hose, hay, feed, etc.). Also have a pretty extensive weight lifting regiment... hay bales, bags of feed, feed tubs.
Okay... I gotta admit, we have a treadmill also... makes a great place to hang the laundry.
Thanks for the input, however. He certainly doesn't have the race record that Yonaguska had... but, there are some things to like about him. Interesting you brought up Yonaguska... because I am considering him also. Guess I'll have to see During next week. I am looking for a replacement mate for the mare I was going to send to Devil's Bag... I'll be looking at Horse Chestnut also. I need bone and, if possible, some height with this mare (even though she is 15-3, she has quite a bit of body which needs to be spread out a little more).
Horse Chestnut is really interesting to me. I haven't seen him but a friend, whose opinion I respect, says he's one of the best looking stallions she's ever seen (she has a mare booked to him this year). Another friend had a good sale on a nice colt by him last year at KeeSep (160K) and Spanish Chestnut looks like he might be one to watch. Plus, I hear positive buzz floating around here... So, all things being equal, he'd be my pick.
LOL, KAL, we have a barn, three fenced paddocks and a pasture (I've been told that's the correct way to refer to them--in Kentucky, anything under five acres is a paddock.) Just no horses in residence.
But after I got off the treadmill, I went to play with the new filly and the two year old who just got back from the training center. (Twigs is down at Palm Meadows, by the way, yippee!) The picture in my avatar is the filly at two days old, first time outside. I wish I could figure out how to post pictures here--she's really adorable.
LOL, KAL, we have a barn, three fenced paddocks and a pasture (I've been told that's the correct way to refer to them--in Kentucky, anything under five acres is a paddock.) Just no horses in residence.
But after I got off the treadmill, I went to play with the new filly and the two year old who just got back from the training center. (Twigs is down at Palm Meadows, by the way, yippee!) The picture in my avatar is the filly at two days old, first time outside. I wish I could figure out how to post pictures here--she's really adorable.
KAL, we used to have a Gravity Edge machine in our bedroom, which I used to hang clothes on.. we saw the ad the other night for the Bowflex inclining treadmill and my husband said he ought to get me one for Valentine's Day... I said, yeah, a new clothes rack would be good... we do the farm walk, feed, fence thing, unfortunately we don't have TV on the tractor. Will you be at F-T?Kal,
You received more respone to your post about During, than I did to my post about him. I looked at him in Jan. I found no significant faults. I thought that he was average size and had average bone. I think that his first crop will be commercial, unless the offspring of Yonaguska and Kafwain have terrible years.
I plan to breed to him.
You received more respone to your post about During, than I did to my post about him. I looked at him in Jan. I found no significant faults. I thought that he was average size and had average bone. I think that his first crop will be commercial, unless the offspring of Yonaguska and Kafwain have terrible years.
I plan to breed to him.
As LSB said, much of the thread wasn't about During... it seems "my" threads tend to reflect my personality... easily distracted and all over the place, but usually in pretty good humor.
Thanks for the notes on During. It is the exact info I was looking for. Hopefully, I will see him this weekend, however I have already arranged for my mare to "visit" him, pending my approval upon seeing him this weekend.
Interesting that you brought up Kafwain and Yonaguska... Yonaguska especially. Much of the final decision to go to During was influenced by the reception of Yonaguska, and further supported by the fact that I have no doubt that Yonaguska will be a leading sire... Vinery will see to that. They support their stallions very, very well, and you won't find a better team to work with, especially Ken Wilkens.
Actually, once Devil's Bag died, I had planned on using either Horse Chestnut or Yonaguska... however, both are hopelessly full (with almost no exceptions). I say almost because I imagine if you presented a top, top, tier mare, they would have a hard time turning you away. At that point, I started looking hard at During. The more I looked, the better I liked the pedigree relationship and the durability of the stallion (although it does bother me that he didn't run at 2).
We'll see if it all works out. Just gotta' keep hoping for positives, eventual one or two might happen.
Thanks for the notes on During. It is the exact info I was looking for. Hopefully, I will see him this weekend, however I have already arranged for my mare to "visit" him, pending my approval upon seeing him this weekend.
Interesting that you brought up Kafwain and Yonaguska... Yonaguska especially. Much of the final decision to go to During was influenced by the reception of Yonaguska, and further supported by the fact that I have no doubt that Yonaguska will be a leading sire... Vinery will see to that. They support their stallions very, very well, and you won't find a better team to work with, especially Ken Wilkens.
Actually, once Devil's Bag died, I had planned on using either Horse Chestnut or Yonaguska... however, both are hopelessly full (with almost no exceptions). I say almost because I imagine if you presented a top, top, tier mare, they would have a hard time turning you away. At that point, I started looking hard at During. The more I looked, the better I liked the pedigree relationship and the durability of the stallion (although it does bother me that he didn't run at 2).
We'll see if it all works out. Just gotta' keep hoping for positives, eventual one or two might happen.
Oh... forgot... LSB and Madelyn, yes I will be at F-T this weekend. It would be great to see you both... and LSB, you know I always have time for you...
I actually should have more time than usual... in addition to the sale, I only have to go to Maysville to pick up a car, go look at a farm, go look at a couple stallions, and possibly take a meeting in Cincinnati on Monday evening. Considering I will be leaving here after feeding the critters on Saturday morning... I should have plenty of time.
Actually, this does beat the "over and back"... those kill me and almost take the fun out of the trip. I'll pm you both when I have a better idea of when I will hit Lexington and the sale.
I actually should have more time than usual... in addition to the sale, I only have to go to Maysville to pick up a car, go look at a farm, go look at a couple stallions, and possibly take a meeting in Cincinnati on Monday evening. Considering I will be leaving here after feeding the critters on Saturday morning... I should have plenty of time.
Actually, this does beat the "over and back"... those kill me and almost take the fun out of the trip. I'll pm you both when I have a better idea of when I will hit Lexington and the sale.
KAL wrote:I actually should have more time than usual... in addition to the sale, I only have to go to Maysville to pick up a car, go look at a farm, go look at a couple stallions, and possibly take a meeting in Cincinnati on Monday evening. Considering I will be leaving here after feeding the critters on Saturday morning... I should have plenty of time.
Just your typical, whirlwind trip, I see.
We'll look forward to seeing you!
Claiborne is a little out of the way from the usual Lexington area farms, but worth the visit. This year in particular, there are many new stallions, and you know they can't all be full. There is a wide range of ages, aptitudes, running styles, and price ranges. I was last there in September, and they have really changed their roster a lot since then. Devil's Bag is dead, Go for Gin has moved away, and new stallions Strong Hope, Stroll, and During have arrived. There's a lot to like about Claiborne, and the S&N contracts are one of the important things for those who can't work a deal. I can't say there is a horse there that I dislike, just I like some better than others. I've not seen Seeking the Gold or Pulpit or the new three. Among the others, all are/were athletic, and capable of producing prominent racehorses with soundness. I have a mare booked to Arch, and I really liked Horse Chestnut, and also Out of Place. Monarchos and Boundary are very athletic, and Private Terms was a very good producer in his early years before interest waned, and he started receiving poorer mares. All bets are off on Flatter, as I don't like his knees and associated soundness issues. A lot depends on your plans for the resulting foal, pocketbook, pedigree, and phenotype.
Rocking H
Thanks, henthorn. I am usually at Claiborne once or twice a year for something or other. The Koch family, Gus and his boys, are top, top class acts and absolutely wonderful people (and I think there may be more of them than Hancock's around the farm these days).
I actually like Flatter, although his soundness initially did cause me to pause. He is the type of horse who probably looked and acted like a knock-em-dead young runner, but whose body needed a little more time. To his credit, he did come back to the races in an effective manner. As for his knees, I didn't find them much worse or much better than most other stallions. Overall, I would have to rate him a fantastic value at $5,000, but if anyone is interested, they better call Bernie pretty quickly as the book is almost full.
Congrats on getting to Arch before his book filled. What a wonderful specimen, sure he has an issue or two, but look at what you get. He was a great value at $5,000, and still a good value at $10,000. His sale averages are going to be negatively skewed the next couple years because he did "get" some pretty questionable mares who will probably have pretty questionable foals. However, the better ones should sell well.
Although Sam will cringe, you missed something if you didn't see Pulpit. He is something, and he knows it. He has a real presence about him. I'll personally miss Devil's Bag and his tricks, what a character. Of course, I also really liked Danzig, talk about a critter that enjoyed being grouchy. I am not a big fan of Monarchos, in fact, I was a little disappointed. To demonstrate the differences in people's tastes, I'm not a big fan of Boundary either. I think him fine if you have a mare with plenty of bone for both of them, or if you are breeding to race on grass. He is simply too fine-boned for my tastes.
I do want to see Strong Hope... I can tell you that some of the old-school types around Claiborne are even somewhat excited about him. Apparently he is really something to look at and they have high hopes for him.
Just visiting Claiborne to see the cemetary and the brass plates on the stall doors make it worthwhile. I try to take "newbies" and other interested parties who haven't spent a lot of time around Lexington there. It is one of the few farms that everyone can identify with and that truly captures the essence of the past. Of course, I also love the architecture of Gainesborough and Gainesway (try to get to Gainesway when it isn't busy and have Marion Gross give you a tour and tell you about the history... absolutely fantastic)... and the wonderful people found at Vinery... and, I can go on, and on. But, I like Claiborne... and my mares do well there (of course, 4 of them used to live across the road, so maybe they think it is home).
Man... I've gotta' stop watching TVG... I'm starting to sound like one of the commercials.
I actually like Flatter, although his soundness initially did cause me to pause. He is the type of horse who probably looked and acted like a knock-em-dead young runner, but whose body needed a little more time. To his credit, he did come back to the races in an effective manner. As for his knees, I didn't find them much worse or much better than most other stallions. Overall, I would have to rate him a fantastic value at $5,000, but if anyone is interested, they better call Bernie pretty quickly as the book is almost full.
Congrats on getting to Arch before his book filled. What a wonderful specimen, sure he has an issue or two, but look at what you get. He was a great value at $5,000, and still a good value at $10,000. His sale averages are going to be negatively skewed the next couple years because he did "get" some pretty questionable mares who will probably have pretty questionable foals. However, the better ones should sell well.
Although Sam will cringe, you missed something if you didn't see Pulpit. He is something, and he knows it. He has a real presence about him. I'll personally miss Devil's Bag and his tricks, what a character. Of course, I also really liked Danzig, talk about a critter that enjoyed being grouchy. I am not a big fan of Monarchos, in fact, I was a little disappointed. To demonstrate the differences in people's tastes, I'm not a big fan of Boundary either. I think him fine if you have a mare with plenty of bone for both of them, or if you are breeding to race on grass. He is simply too fine-boned for my tastes.
I do want to see Strong Hope... I can tell you that some of the old-school types around Claiborne are even somewhat excited about him. Apparently he is really something to look at and they have high hopes for him.
Just visiting Claiborne to see the cemetary and the brass plates on the stall doors make it worthwhile. I try to take "newbies" and other interested parties who haven't spent a lot of time around Lexington there. It is one of the few farms that everyone can identify with and that truly captures the essence of the past. Of course, I also love the architecture of Gainesborough and Gainesway (try to get to Gainesway when it isn't busy and have Marion Gross give you a tour and tell you about the history... absolutely fantastic)... and the wonderful people found at Vinery... and, I can go on, and on. But, I like Claiborne... and my mares do well there (of course, 4 of them used to live across the road, so maybe they think it is home).
Man... I've gotta' stop watching TVG... I'm starting to sound like one of the commercials.
KAL, you'd have to give credit to Pete Siegel for the booking with Arch. He predicted increased quality and commercialism on the rise for him, and got my SW mare in at the $7,500 S&N contract early in the season. Check out the hypo: Arch/Spanish Guitar (ex Fast Fingers). You gotta love the Hail to Reason cross, the Nasrullah boys, and the Never Bend cross.
Rocking H
henthorn wrote:KAL, you'd have to give credit to Pete Siegel for the booking with Arch. He predicted increased quality and commercialism on the rise for him, and got my SW mare in at the $7,500 S&N contract early in the season. Check out the hypo: Arch/Spanish Guitar (ex Fast Fingers). You gotta love the Hail to Reason cross, the Nasrullah boys, and the Never Bend cross.
Last year I was offered Arch at 2k S&N. I'm am beyond glad to see him turn it around some. You can go wrong with the Courtly Dee clan in my opinion. And he is a good looking stallion.