Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:11 pm

Gooiing back to Bernster: the knees are a result either from too much training on firm tracks, either of ailments. The piece between the feet and ankles is very much an conformation issue but I can not understand how he is galopping with that. The back is rather straight.

Beeiing an Louis NFB you have to go on the look out for something more desirable. Even when you see them parents alive, this kind of things happens in the breed.

Louis, next time, judge the horse on the picture before posting, you makes yourself looking dumb.

Dortmunds breed is much more overturned by PH in earlier generations, I,ll give him 5 races in total. But I might be wrong, as breeding is not an statistic study.

about them sudden Baffert deaths and a couple others which were valuable horses in Cal. The found out that the prelimary source was;

AN RODENTICIDE, a poison used for killing rats, but in combination with EPO deadly for horses.

Sudden deaths are extremely rare in horses and have nothing to do with breed. So again a lot of rubbish written by someone who really does not know what is racing about.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:49 am

Ben: Your right about, not to judge tbs, before looking at their conformation. There are many tbs who have perfect conformation, but dont have the heart to win races.

If we could see their heart factor, we could all buy those superior runners. Its not that easy, that's what drives breeders crazy.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:03 am

The most conformational conflicts in the picture from Bernster are caused by training on an firm track and supposedly the farrier. The backhand is an result from the mating.

I once saw an horse walking and trotting like a duck. but at full speed straight as an arrow. Always in the mood for a fight comes racing, did won a lot btw. But just one trainer who took the risk.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:47 am

MAPPING b. C, 2011
Henrythenavigator---Key to My Heart, by Mr. Prospector

Mapping fractured both RF sesamoids, & was euthanized.
Mapping was a type 2 FB, being inbred to 1 NP mare, 5 x 5 Special=Hyperion

Mapping was inbred to 5 Ph. stallions, 2 X 3 Mr. P.---3 X 4 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Polynesian---3 X 4 X 5 ND---4 X 5 X 5 Native Dancer.

Mapping had 27 crosses Ph. stallions & 14 crosses Ph. mares, both high figures, for unsoundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:10 am

WALLYANNA (USA) dkb/br. C, 2011 {9-f} DP = 3-4-7-0-0 (14) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.71 - 10 Starts, 4 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $231,926

Owner: Tim E. O'Donohue Racing LLC
Breeder: Mike Tarp
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 10 Starts: 4 - 0 - 0, $231,926

At 3: Won National Museum of Racing Hall of Fame S. (G2,Sar,8.5fT), James W. Murphy S. (Pim,8fT)

Foaled March 15, 2011.
Broke down during the Tropical Park Derby and euthanized 12/20/2014 @ Gulfstream Park. RIP.

WALLYANNA br. C, 2011
Langfuhr---Magibel, by Tale of The Cat

Wallyanna is a type 2 FB being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions, 3 X 5 ND---4 X 4 Nearctic---4 X 5 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nearco.

1 NP mare, 5 X 5 Lady Angela=Hyperion.

Wallyanna had 24 crosses of Ph. stallions. Another FB with prolific crosses of one sire line, goes down to injury.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:24 am

Ben: Our farriers are charging, $160.00 to change a set of shoes, how much do those Euro farriers charge?
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:50 am

KIRIS CLOWN (USA) dkb/br. H, 1989 {1-l} DP = 15-8-8-1-2 (34) DI = 3.86 CD = 0.97 - 62 Starts, 16 Wins, 6 Places, 8 Shows Career Earnings: $1,005,469

Owner: Cobble View Stable & Sullimar Stable
Breeder: L. & M. Sullivan
State Bred: FL
Winnings: 62 Starts: 16 - 6 - 8, $1,005,469

At 3:
3rd Hill Prince S. [G3]
At 4:
2nd Fort Marcy H. [G3]

At 5:
Won New Hampshire Sweepstakes [G3], Knickerbocker H. [G3]
2nd Sword Dancer Invitational H. [G1]

At 6:
Won Sword Dancer Invitational H. [G1], New Hampshire Sweepstakes [G3]
3rd Early Times Manhattan H. [G1]

Raced for six years. Trained by P. G. Johnson.

At stud: Maple Heights Fm/KY 1997-2000; Feather Ridge Fm/KY 2001-04; Three Way Fm/IL 2005-06.
Retired to Old Friends in Georgetown, Kentucky, in July 2006.

Euthanized Dec 22, 2014 at Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital after he slipped and broke his leg while coming out of anesthesia after colic surgery.

KIRI'S CLOWN b. H, 1989
Foolish Pleasure---Kiri, by Kris

Kiris Clown was a NFB being inbred to 1 Ph. stallion, 4 X 5 Nasrullah.
One NP stallion, Blenheim=Swynford.
KC had 15 crosses NP stallions & 24 crosses NP mares.

Kiris Clown had only 16 crosses of Ph. stallions, not the 24--29 crosses of Ph. stallions we find in those FB, that sustained career ending injuries.

Congrats to Kiris Clown breeder, in breeding a sound superior runner.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:53 am

What,s the difference with this one:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/ten+bells2

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:47 am

Ten Pins is inbred 4 X 5 to the NP stallion, Nodouble=Hyperion.
Ten Pins has 8 crosses Ph. stallions, & 15 crosses NP mares.

Ten Pins is a type 2 FB, they are averaging more lifetime starts, than those type 1 FB, that have no inbreeding to those NP stallions or NP mares.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:43 am

Louis, Iam writing about Ten Bells not about the sire.

Ten Bells is an half to Wallyanna, but your just trying to sneak out as usual. This is happening for the last ten yrs.

This is another half btw making one lousy start:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/john+gordon2

Have a nice years out. Dummy.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:53 am

MO BAGELS (USA) gr/r. F, 2012 {16} DP = 12-3-13-0-0 (28) DI = 3.31 CD = 0.96 - 11 Starts, 4 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $95,894

Owner: Bonita Farm
Breeder: Bonita Farm
State Bred: MD
Winnings: 11 Starts: 4 - 2 - 0, $95,894

Sadly, broke down during the Maryland Juvenile Filly Championship Stakes 12/26/2014 @ Laurel Park and had to be euthanized. RIP

MO BAGELS gr. F, 2012
Mojave Moon---Bay of Bengal, by Rakeen

Mo Bagels was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions, 2 X 4 Mr. P---3 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Native Dancer---3 X 5 RAN. 1 Ph. mare 3 X 5 Gold Digger.

Mo Bagels had 22 crosses Ph. stallions, in this FB mating of unsoundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:21 am

Failing to comment, it is called ducking.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:56 am

BELLE GALLANTEY (USA) ch. M, 2009 {16-g} DP = 3-4-7-0-0 (14) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.71 - 45 Starts, 9 Wins, 12 Places, 7 Shows Career Earnings: $1,114,270

Owner: Michael Dubb, Bethlehem Stables LLC and Gary Aisquith
Breeder: Pam & Martin Wygod
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 45 Starts: 9 - 12 - 7, $1,114,270

At 2: 3rd Fantasy S. (Hst,8.5f)
At 5: Won Delaware H. (G1,Del,10f), Beldame S. (G1,Bel,9f)

Foaled February 11, 2009.
PEGJAN11:$30,000
Originally named "Collection Basket".

BELLE GALLANTEY ch. M, 2009
After Market---Revealed, by Old Trieste

Belle Gallantey is a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Secretariat.
Belle Gallantey has 10 crosses of NP stallions & 17 crosses NP mares. These prolific crosses of NP individuals, bring soundness into this NFB mating. This is what those FB dont have in their 5 generstion pedigrees.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:05 am

Since ten bells is an Louis FB fashion bred with a number off sires gooiing back to the dammned PH sireline and made 47 starts. Ten Bells is out off line from the LOUIS doctrine and Louis refuges to write about that.

TEN BELLS (USA) dkb/br. G, 2007 {9-f} DP = 5-4-8-0-1 (18) DI = 2.60 CD = 0.67 - 47 Starts, 4 Wins, 10 Places, 4 Shows Career Earnings: $83,378


And this one an Louis not fashion bred but half to some mentioned horses, just maked 4 lousy starts.
JOHN GORDON (USA) dkb/br. C, 2010 {9-f} DP = 3-0-6-0-1 (10) DI = 1.50 CD = 0.40 - 4 Starts, 1 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $52,640

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:34 am

Ten Bells is a type 2 FB, they are averaging more lifetime starts, than those type 1 FB. Those type 2 FB, have prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares in their 5 generation pedigrees. Purchase a sire lines book, & do your home work, you will reap the knowledge, that you are lacking.
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