Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:09 am

These horses needs JUICE in the ground, most of them hates firm turf, and will break down if asked on the firm ground. Family related.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:21 am

PERSONAL DIARY (USA) ch. F, 2011 {1-l} DP = 11-4-6-1-0 (22) DI = 4.50 CD = 1.14 - 10 Starts, 2 Wins, 4 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $278,136

Owner: G. Watts Humphrey Jr. & St. George Farm Racing
Breeder: G. Watts Humphrey Jr. & St. George Farm Racing
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 10 Starts: 2 - 4 - 2, $278,136

At 2: 3rd Kentucky Downs Juvenile Fillies S. (KD,7fT)
At 3: Won Del Mar Oaks (G1,Dmr,9fT); 2nd Regret S. (G3,CD,9fT)

Foaled February 11, 2011.
Won debut August 23, 2013 at Ellis Park, 1 mile turf MSW.

PERSONAL DIARY ch. F. 2011
City Zip---Latest Scoop, by Tiz Now

PD is a type 2 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Nijinsky---4 X 5 RAN, 1 Ph. mare 4 X 5 Gold Digger.

2 NP stallions, 3 X 4 Relaunch=Fair Play---4 X 5 In Reality=Fair Play, 1 NP mare 4 X 5 Foggy Note=Swynford.

This is a brillant mating, that has an equal balance of Ph. & NP stallions & mares. Congrats to the breeder, for creating a sound superior runner.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:07 am

Louis, superior runner? If that was the case, he would have earned two million more up to date.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby ct2346 » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:14 pm

When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:33 am

These Ph. over Fair Play matings, create tough, tb that can take the tranning & racing. Those FB cant take the rigors of training & racing. They dont have a balance of NP sirelines.

City Zip, sire lof Personal Diary, is a half brother to Ghostzapper.
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Postby louis finochio » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:02 am

V. E. DAY (USA) ch. C, 2011 {4-r} DP = 5-4-16-1-0 (26) DI = 1.89 CD = 0.50 - 6 Starts, 4 Wins, 1 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $829,010

Owner: Magalen O. Bryant
Breeder: Bluegrass Hall LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 6 Starts: 4 - 1 - 0, $829,010

At 3: Won Travers S. (G1,Sar,10f), Curlin S. (Sar,9f)

Foaled April 21, 2011.
KEESEP12 $105K; OBSMAR13 $135

V. E. Day ch. C, 2011
English Channel---California Sunset, by Deputy Minister

VED is a NFB, being inbred 4 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Nashua
VED has 10 crosses of NP stallions & 18 crosses of NP mares.

VED robust conformation, gives him away, thru his prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares. Deputy Minister, BMS of VED, is seen in pedigrees of many GR SW.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:59 am

SHARED BELIEF (USA) dkb/br. G, 2011 {19} DP = 2-2-6-2-0 (12) DI = 1.40 CD = 0.33 - 6 Starts, 6 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $1,372,200

Owner: Jungle Racing LLC, Hollendorfer, J., Litt, J., Solis II, A. and Todaro, G.
Breeder: Pam & Martin Wygod
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 6 Starts: 6 - 0 - 0, $1,372,200

At 2: Won CashCall Futurity S. (G1,Hol,8.5f), Hollywood Prevue S. (G3,BHP,7fT)
At 3: Won Pacific Classic S. (G1,Dmr,10f), Los Alamitos Derby (G2,LRC,9f)

Foaled February 15, 2011.
Eclipse Champion Two Year Old Male, 2013.

SHARED BELIEF b. G, 2011
Candy Ride---Common Hope, by Storm Cat

SB is a NFB, he has an outcross pedigree, with no dupe of inbreeding.
SB has 11 crosses of NP stallions, 20 crosses NP mares.

SB has a balance of speed thru Ph. & stamina thru NP. SB has prolific crosses of NP mares from Europe & Canada.
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:50 am

M B AND TEE (USA) dkb/br. F, 2011 {16-g} DP = 7-8-15-0-0 (30) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.73 - 2 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $52,290

Owner: MeB Racing Stables LLC and Brooklyn Boyz Stables
Breeder: E. H. Beau Lane III
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 2 Starts: 1 - 0 - 0, $52,290

Foaled April 3, 2011.
KeeSep'12: $110K.
Died of cardiovascular collapse after winning a race at Saratoga, August 21, 2014.

M B AND TEE br. F, 2011
Flatter---Credit Approval, by With Approval

MBAT was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 RAN---4 X 5 ND---4 X 5 X 5 Buckpasser.

MBAT had 25 crosses Ph. stallions, & 17 crosses Ph. mares. Those prolific crosses of Ph. stallions & mares could have contributed to her cardio problem. MBAT inbreeding to ND, has been seen in prolific numbers of tb, that have had cardio events.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:58 am

LITTLE TOWER (USA) ch. H, 2012 {12-c} DP = 1-1-7-3-0 (12) DI = 0.85 CD = 0.00 - 2 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $4,210

Owner: Tricar Stables, Inc.
Breeder: Tricar Stables, Inc.
State Bred: NM

Foaled April 22, 2012.
Euthanized after breaking down in a race at Del Mar, August 22, 2014.

LITTLE TOWER ch. H, 2012
Proud Tower Too---Little Singer, by Singspiel

Little Tower was a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 Native Charger---5 X 5 ND.

LT had 25 crosses of Ph. stallions, these NFB with prolific crosses of Ph. stallions carry a high risk for unsoundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:44 am

GAMELY (USA) b. M, 1964 {5-h} DP = 28-14-6-5-1 (54) DI = 5.00 CD = 1.17 - 41 Starts, 16 Wins, 9 Places, 6 Shows Career Earnings: $574,961

Owner: William Haggin Perry
Breeder: Claiborne Farm
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 41 Starts: 16 - 9 - 6, $574,961

WON Princess S., Test S. (Div. 1), Alabama S., Santa Maria H., Santa Margarita H., Wilshire H., Inglewood H., Beldame S. (twice), Santa Monica H., Diana H.

2ND Railbird S., Hollywood Oaks, Santa Barbara H. (Div. 1), Californian (to Dr. Fager), Santa Anita H., Vanity H., Matchmaker S.

3RD Beldame S., Matchmaker S., Vineland H., Santa Monica H., San Bernardino H., Santa Barbara H.

Champion handicap mare, 1968.
Hall Of Fame inductee, 1980.

Died at age 11, due to ruptured stomach.

GAMELY b. M, 1964
Bold Ruler---Gambetta, by My Babu

Gamely was a NFB, she only had 6 crosses of Ph. stallions. In her time frame, our breed was not 95% Ph. Those NP sirelines, were in abundance, they bred sound superior runners.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:59 am

COOL UNDER FIRE (USA) ch. G, 2010 {9-f} DP = 6-5-27-0-0 (38) DI = 1.81 CD = 0.45 - 22 Starts, 4 Wins, 1 Places, 7 Shows Career Earnings: $144,220

Owner: 1) Kenwood Racing LLC, 2) Kazdan Racing
Breeder: Adena Springs
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 22 Starts: 4 - 1 - 7, $144,220

Won his first start, 9/1/2012 @ AP, 5 1/2F 1:05. Trainer: Wayne Catalano

Foaled April 30, 2010.
Last raced December 13, 2013. Returned to racing June 4, 2014 at Delaware Park.

Broke down after finishing a game 3rd in an AOC at Parx on July 29, 2014. RIP.

COOL UNDER FIRE ch. G, 2010
Giants Causeway---Forever Smart, by Smart Strike

CUF was a NFB, with an outcross pedigree, & no dupe of inbreeding.
CUF had 25 crosses Ph. stallions & 14 crosses Ph. mares.

Another NFB with prolific crosses of Ph. stallions & mares, that are causing widespread unsoundness. When you have an abundance of 1 sireline, there has to be a catalyst of those NP sirelines to create soundness.
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:57 am

SEE SEE SEE (USA) b. F, 2010 {13-c} DP = 4-6-10-0-0 (20) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.70 - 35 Starts, 2 Wins, 6 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $72,101

Owner: 1) Michael J. Shevy, 2) Thomas Cespuglio
Breeder: Mina Equivest LLC
State Bred: NY
Winnings: 35 Starts: 2 - 6 - 2, $72,101

Foaled March 25, 2010.
Euthanized August 29, 2014 when an x-ray revealed a fractured left knee that had occurred in her last race, a $7.5k Claimer at Monmouth Park on August 15, 2014. RIP.

SEE SEE SEE b. F, 2010
Sightseeing---Balmoral Gap, by Silver Deputy

SSS was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 X 5 X 5 RAN, 1 Ph. mare, 5 X 5 X 5 Gold Digger.

SSS had 25 crosses Ph. stallions, SSS 35 starts is way more than the norm of under 10, for thse type 1 FB.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:32 am

How about this one:

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby ct2346 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:40 pm

louis finochio wrote:GAMELY (USA) b. M, 1964 {5-h} DP = 28-14-6-5-1 (54) DI = 5.00 CD = 1.17 - 41 Starts, 16 Wins, 9 Places, 6 Shows Career Earnings: $574,961

Owner: William Haggin Perry
Breeder: Claiborne Farm
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 41 Starts: 16 - 9 - 6, $574,961

WON Princess S., Test S. (Div. 1), Alabama S., Santa Maria H., Santa Margarita H., Wilshire H., Inglewood H., Beldame S. (twice), Santa Monica H., Diana H.

2ND Railbird S., Hollywood Oaks, Santa Barbara H. (Div. 1), Californian (to Dr. Fager), Santa Anita H., Vanity H., Matchmaker S.

3RD Beldame S., Matchmaker S., Vineland H., Santa Monica H., San Bernardino H., Santa Barbara H.

Champion handicap mare, 1968.
Hall Of Fame inductee, 1980.

Died at age 11, due to ruptured stomach.

GAMELY b. M, 1964
Bold Ruler---Gambetta, by My Babu

Gamely was a NFB, she only had 6 crosses of Ph. stallions. In her time frame, our breed was not 95% Ph. Those NP sirelines, were in abundance, they bred sound superior runners.


Her ruptured stomach was due to the fact that she was a NFB.