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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:39 am

Louis, this is at least an full detailed oversight from the NYRA. And not handpicked names.

http://breakdown.gaming.ny.gov/searchbr ... =2014&ED=1

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:49 am

It has been proven, that when you have all inbreeding to Ph. stallions or mares, your risk of breeding a sound tb is slim. When you have equal inbreeding of Ph. & NP, your chances of breeding a sound tb, increase 5 fold.

Those type 1 FB breeders are not, creating new fans, as those FB are averaging less than 10 starts, before going down to the sidelines.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:34 am

No it has not been proven. You are only thinking it does.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby DDT » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:53 am

Ben

It absolutely has not been PROVEN that close inbreeding to the Phalaris male line is a PRIMARY factor in fatal or career ending injuries or non-starters. Your most recent link shows the number of horse deaths for New York during the current year and the list includes non-racing deaths. That being said, I checked out the first 40 qualified runners for thoroughbreds and out of the total their were 22 Non-Fashion Breds and 17 Fashion Breds, 1 did not have enough info to do simple research. I realize it is a small portion of the list, but the difference in the numbers is pretty close to even, which actually tends to add a little proof that the theory is not supported by the statistics.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:40 pm

This is what they found after numereous necropsies, but Louis will close his eyes, and shut his ears proving how dumb he is.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... -step-myth

I hate the YELLING without the PROOF.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:53 pm

It is just an assumption, supported by handpicked names

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:52 am

RUSSELL ROAD (USA) ch. G, 2006 {8-c} DP = 5-4-14-0-1 (24) DI = 2.00 CD = 0.50 - 53 Starts, 28 Wins, 12 Places, 5 Shows Career Earnings: $1,903,234

Owner: Mark E. Russell
Breeder: Robert H. Lloyd
State Bred: WV
Winnings: 53 Starts: 28 - 12 - 5, $1,903,234

At 2:
1st Tri-State Futurity[R,CT,7F], WV Futurity[R,CT,7F], Dr. Ernest Benner S.[R,CT,6½F]
At 3:
1st WV Breeders' Classic S.[R,9F], Blue And Gold S.[CT,7F], A Huevo S.[R,9F], Millard Harrell Mem. S.[R,C7F], Robert G Leavitt Mem. S.[R,CT,7F], Frank Gall Mem. H.[R,7F], Dancing Count S.[Lrl,6F]
3rd Red Legend S.[CT,7F]

At 4:
1st Springtime H.[R,7F]
2nd A Huevo S. [R,9F]
3rd Wild and Wonderful S.[CT,7F]

At 5:
1st Confucius Say S.(R), It's Only Money S.(R), WV Breeders' Classic S.(R)
2nd Dale Baird Mem. S.

At 6:
1st Confucius Say S.(R), It's Only Money S.(R), Frank Gall Mem. S.(R), A Huevo S.(R)
2nd WV Breeders' Classic S.(R)

At 7:
1st Independence Day S., Senator Robert C Byrd Mem. S.

At 8:
1st WV Breeders' Classic S.(R)

RUSSELL ROAD ch. G, 2006
Wheaton---Roberta Grump, by Verification

RR is a NFB, being inbred to 1 Ph. stallion, 5 X 5 Nasrullah
RR has 17 crosses NP stallions & 21 crosses NP mares.

RR only has 14 crosses NP stallions, not the 23--28 crosses of Ph. stallions, that those type 1 FB have.
We can see the soundness influence, that those NP stallions & mares contribute in this NFB mating.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:01 am

As is shown above by Louis. Very clearly. He refuses to break down the horses mentioned in the link I supported. All of them broke down and an necropsy report was made.

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:49 am

ZAIKOV (USA) gr/r. C, 2010 {9-f} DP = 6-5-10-0-1 (22) DI = 2.67 CD = 0.68 - 2 Starts, 2 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $51,300

Owner: Arindel Farm
Breeder: Arindel Farm LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 2 Starts: 2 - 0 - 0, $51,300

Foaled March 21, 2010.
Broke maiden by 14-1/4 lengths in first start, 6f MSW at Gulfstream Park, March 15, 2013.
Euthanized at Belmont Park due to a training injury, October 24, 2014.

ZAIKOV gr. C, 2010
Distorted Humor---Wait a While, by Marias Mon

Z was a NFB with an outcross pedigree, & no dupe of inbreeding.
Z had 26 crosses of Ph. stallions & 17 crosses Ph. mares.

Many of these NFB, have prolific crosses of Ph. stallions & mares, even they dont have inbreeding to those Ph. stallions & mares. Those prolific crosses of Ph. create an inherited weakness, as there is no balance of NP & Ph. sire lines in these matings.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:44 am

LEXIE LOU (CAN) b. F, 2011 {9-f} DP = 4-1-12-5-0 (22) DI = 1.00 CD = 0.18 - 15 Starts, 7 Wins, 2 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $1,369,714

Owner: 1) J. R. Racing Stable Inc.; 2) Gary Barber
Breeder: Paradox Farm Inc.
State Bred: ON
Winnings: 15 Starts: 7 - 2 - 2, $1,369,714

At 2:
1st Muskoka S. (R,WO,6.5f), South Ocean S. (R,WO,8.5f)
2nd Victorian Queen S. (R,WO,6f), Princess Elizabeth S. (R,WO,8.5f)
3rd Ontario Lassie S. (R,WO,8.5f)
At 3:
1st Autumn Miss S. (G3,SA,8fT), Queen's Plate (R,WO,10f), Woodbine Oaks (R,WO,9f), Wonder Where S. (R,WO,10fT)
3rd Fury S. (R,WO,7f)



Purchased by trainer John Ross for $5,577 at the 2012 Canadian Thoroughbred Horse Society Canadian-bred yearling sale in Ontario.
April 2014: sold to Gary Barber for $400,000.

LEXIE LOU b. F, 2011
Sligo Bay---Oneexcessivenite, by In Excess

LL is a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 Nearctic---4 X 5 Hail to Reason. 1 NP mare, 5 X 5 Almahmoud=Swynford.

LL has 10 crosses NP stallions & 19 crosses NP mares. Those prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares, plus the inbreeding to a NP individual, created a sound superior runner.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:56 am

LADY ELI (USA) dkb/br. F, 2012 {22-d} DP = 6-1-9-2-0 (18) DI = 1.77 CD = 0.61 - 3 Starts, 3 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $719,800

Owner: Sheep Pond Partners
Breeder: Runnymede Farm Inc. & Catesby W. Clay
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 3 Starts: 3 - 0 - 0, $719,800

At 2: Won Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (G1,SA,8fT), Miss Grillo S. (G3,Bel,8½fT)

Foaled February 2, 2012.
Won debut August 25, 2014 at Saratoga, 8.5f turf MSW.

LADY ELI br. F, 2012
Divine Park---Sacre Coeur, by Saint Ballado

Lady Eli is a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 Nijinsky---5 X 5 X 5 ND.
Lady Eli has 10 crosses of NP stallions & 19 crosses NP mares. Her pedigree reads a balance of speed, Stamina & grass breeding.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:50 am

Louis, this was a nice BC winner yesterday:

http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedig ... ID=1443262

The link is providing it,s name, and the link is free for use.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:52 am

What was the BC winners name?
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:47 am

And this one: second in the dirt classic:

http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedig ... ID=1443262

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:41 am

After the BC is run, i research all the winners pedigrees. Those NFB are the dominant force of soundness. Those NFB have stayed sound thru training & racing, to be victorious on BC day. Long live those NP sire lines, they are the catalyst of soundness & stamina, when bred to the speed of Ph.
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