Pedigree Query

It won't do breeders any good. I think he's a gelding.

When we lost those NP stallions & mares, tons of our tbs cant find their nicking partner. We had over 12 NP sire lines in the past that were alive & well. in the present we only have a few left.

This mean our stallions, are not breeding those sound superior runners in great numbers of the past. Bold Ruler was bred prolific numbers of NP mares, & bred a high % of his SW from those NP mares.

What do you do, Louis? Sell horses for meat? This "tons of" crap has got to stop. It insults the whole industry, including yourself. Surely you can find a better term to use. Get off the generalities and try using specifics. You don't come close to making sense with this "tons of" baloney. All it is is being lazy.
How many mares did BR service of your favorite old fashioned bloodlines? He brought most of the Phalaris to them. In the '60's you couldn't walk down the street without tripping over a son or grandson of Bold Ruler. They were everywhere.
Between Bold Ruler and Northern Dancer the entire world was saturated. Where do you find non Phalaris blood? Are you going to bring in Arabs or Akhal Tekes?
You have them up to thoroughbred speed in about 60 years if you started crossing them in now.

The Horse magazine weighs in on the cause of perceived new fragility in horses. http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.asp ... 904&src=RC

Louis wrote:

. . . Bold Ruler was bred prolific numbers of NP mares, & bred a high % of his SW from those NP mares.

Man O'War was bred to pretty much "junk" mares and look at the success he had. I guess this goes to show that what is one man's junk is another man's treasure.

When Bold Ruler stood the term "fashionable" was beginning to be used throughout the industy, but it had nothing to do with FB/NP because no one was considering poor PH in their breeding programs. They were looking at living horses they could make sense of and pedigrees that were not outdated and could be printed on one page.

Your theory is nonsense and it is only demeaned further by your inability to put it into a recognizable time frame. If your theory had any chance of being valid, you should have spent more of your time looking at stallions at the very end of the 20th century and not one stallion at its beginning.

If you were aware of the NP/FB in 1960's why didn't you investigate and analyze the data and then include it in your book? Such an important observation along with proof, which you say is based on research, is the life's blood of any equine researcher. Yet, your book is absent of any reference to NP/FB as it is absent a single "complete" sentence. I repeat, your book made not one NP/FB reference either generally or in context to an individual horse or mare that would lead anyone to believe this theory. Now you are using this thread as a private blog to elevate your thinking to "intelligent research?"

Nonsense.

Forgive me and others for being incredulous. You are your own worse enemy taking expert credit for publishing a book related to breeding in the 1980's void of the very research you are footnoting everyday in posts to this thread?

Bunty Lawless wrote:The Horse magazine weighs in on the cause of perceived new fragility in horses. http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.asp ... 904&src=RC

Fascinating. Thanks.

louis finochio wrote:When we lost those NP stallions & mares, tons of our tbs cant find their nicking partner. We had over 12 NP sire lines in the past that were alive & well. in the present we only have a few left.

This mean our stallions, are not breeding those sound superior runners in great numbers of the past. Bold Ruler was bred prolific numbers of NP mares, & bred a high % of his SW from those NP mares.

The same old flapdoodle, the same baseless assertions, the same non-science.

Bold Ruler, was the first one receiving medication, it was either bute or lasix Iread somewhere. Might be wrong, which I doubt.

BenB wrote:Bold Ruler, was the first one receiving medication, it was either bute or lasix Iread somewhere. Might be wrong, which I doubt.

Bold Ruler raced in the 1950s. Both medications were illegal everywhere then.

And a horse of the caliber of Bold Ruler wouldn't have been the first to use either medication. If he raced in New York, that was one of the last states to allow medications of any kind on race days. I distinctly remember him running there.

Louis,

Your "theory" is utter hogwash.

You don't even attempt to justify it with anything remotely related to science.

Bold Ruler's SW when bred to NP mares.

1960 Batteur---Bayou=Prince Rose
Bold Commander---High Voltage=Tourbillon
Bold Consort---Misty Morn=Prince Rose
Bold Princess---Grey Flight=Swynford
King's Story---Narrative=Fair Play
Lamb Chop---Sheepsfoot=Sundridge
Ornamento---War Ribbon=Peter Pan
Speedwell---Imperatrice=Bend Or

1961 Beautiful Day---Misty Morn=Prince Rose
Bold Queen---Grey Flight=Swynford
Chieftain---Pocahontas=Teddy
Time For Bed---Sunday Evening=Rock Sand

Those NP mare's in BR time frame were at their peak, If we had their soundness influence in the present, those FB would have a catalyst for soundness.

louis finochio wrote:Bold Ruler's SW when bred to NP mares. ....

And how many SW, when bred to mares of Ph-line-sires?

Why do you still deny to give complete evidence and not just that, was is in your liking?

If you will do that, you'll beginning to do real "research" by common standards. Is this to much for you to do?

louis finochio wrote:Bold Ruler's SW when bred to NP mares.

1960 Batteur---Bayou=Prince Rose
Bold Commander---High Voltage=Tourbillon
Bold Consort---Misty Morn=Prince Rose
Bold Princess---Grey Flight=Swynford
King's Story---Narrative=Fair Play
Lamb Chop---Sheepsfoot=Sundridge
Ornamento---War Ribbon=Peter Pan
Speedwell---Imperatrice=Bend Or

1961 Beautiful Day---Misty Morn=Prince Rose
Bold Queen---Grey Flight=Swynford
Chieftain---Pocahontas=Teddy
Time For Bed---Sunday Evening=Rock Sand

Those NP mare's in BR time frame were at their peak, If we had their soundness influence in the present, those FB would have a catalyst for soundness.

Louis,

Where is your evidence that ALL male lines other than Phalaris impart soundness?

BR was bred to 38 Ph. mares, that bred 5 SW or 13%. If you would have bought my book, you wouldnt have asked me for the above. I will post the % of SW when BR was bred to those NP mares next.