Basket Weave and Buckpasser thoughts

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Basket Weave and Buckpasser thoughts

Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:12 pm

Something intriguing with Basket Weave http://www.pedigreequery.com/basket+weave,

you notice his third dam is by Tudor Minstril http://www.pedigreequery.com/tudor+minstrel

Tudor Minstril has a fascinating pedigree to go along with the Buckpasser in the X position. His sire Owen Tudor is by Hyperion whose dam Selene is by Chaucer, his broodmare sire Pharos is out of Scapa Flow also a Chaucer daughter. Getting back to Buckpasser we see that he is Phalaris line stallion, through Pharamond. Pharmond is sired by Phalaris out of Selene; a Chaucer daughter, as is his full brother Sickle, as is his 3/4 relative Pharos also by Phalaris and out of a Chaucer daughter.

Every time Nasrullah or Royal Charger or Pharamond, or Sickle is in the pedigree, this Phalaris over a Chaucer daughter is being repeated. The Phalaris over a Chaucer daughter changed the modern thoroughbred. It was a good cross. Tudor Minstril's dam is by Sansovino, who is a 1/2 brother to Selene's dam Serenissima, so we're getting the added bang of repeating siblings/ 1/2 siblings and gentic equvilents; through the Chaucer daughters bred to Phalaris in this pedigree. It's beautiful!

If you are a paying subscriber to this forum, look at the equivilant's in Basket Weave's pedigree

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... d=&x=0&y=0 It's just astounding. :)

If I could afford another broodmare, think I'd bee looking for a Basket Weave. Especially for a Halo line stallion, I think it could be a home run kind of nick.

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Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:06 pm

I also notice that Buckpasser in the X stallion Basket Weave is also linebred 3x4 full siblings Swaps and Track Medal. Sex balanced full siblings! Very interesting and attractive pedigree! I'm assuming the rest of you find this pedigree interesting and exciting. Why else would you.even be here on a pedigree website: pedigreequery.com if you're not excited about pedigree's?

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Postby Joltman » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:23 am

From a quick view of prodigee on PQ it doesn't look like he sired many powerhouse runners, but there are some durable types that made some $$.

I don't see a whole lot of MP, ND, API intensity in the pedigrees of his progeny either, and since he sired fillies into the mid 2000s there are probably a good number of them around. This one is somewhat interesting:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/buzz+orphan+annie

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Postby Jeff » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:49 am

Joltman,

You found a dead horse to use as an example: that's 7 years bad luck.

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Postby Jeff » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:47 am

http://www.pedigreequery.com/say+say2

Lovely filly out of a Basket Weave daughter, her 1/2 sibling just sold for a nice price at the Washington sale for 31K, good price for a Washington bred yearling. Another example of the superior results of Buckpasser in the X position breeding.

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Postby Fireslam » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:14 pm

What is the superior result?

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Postby Joltman » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:42 pm

Jeff wrote:Joltman,

You found a dead horse to use as an example: that's 7 years bad luck.

:D


Not the first I've backed...

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Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:54 pm

Something intriguing with Basket Weave http://www.pedigreequery.com/basket+weave,

you notice his third dam is by Tudor Minstril http://www.pedigreequery.com/tudor+minstrel

Tudor Minstril has a fascinating pedigree to go along with the Buckpasser. His sire Owen Tudor is by Hyperion whose dam Selene is by Chaucer, his broodmare sire Pharos is out of Scapa Flow also a Chaucer daughter. Getting back to Buckpasser we see that he is Phalaris line stallion, through Pharamond. Pharmond is sired by Phalaris out of Selene; a Chaucer daughter, as is his full brother Sickle, as is his 3/4 relative Pharos also by Phalaris and out of a Chaucer daughter.

Every time Nasrullah or Royal Charger or Pharamond, or Sickle is in the pedigree, this Phalaris over a Chaucer daughter is being repeated. The Phalaris over a Chaucer daughter changed the modern thoroughbred. It was a good cross. Tudor Minstril's dam is by Sansovino, who is a 1/2 brother to Selene's dam Serenissima, so we're getting the added bang of repeating siblings/ 1/2 siblings and gentic equvilents; through the Chaucer daughters bred to Phalaris in this pedigree. It's beautiful!

If you are a paying subscriber to this forum, look at the equivilant's in Basket Weave's pedigree, it's incredible!

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... d=&x=0&y=0 It's just astounding. :)

If I could afford another broodmare, think I'd bee looking for a Basket Weave. Especially for a Halo line stallion, I think it could be a home run kind of nick.

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Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:51 pm

Fireslam wrote:What is the superior result?


Gone West: http://www.pedigreequery.com/gone+west

We see that Tom Fool over Tudor Minstrel, same as we see in Basket Weave.

Let's look at Gone West over Buckpasser: Speightstown:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/gone+west

Of course the common don't see the pattern's that constitute the pedigree of the modern thoroughbred, they only see the drab and the gray, that's why us pedigree analyst's exist, to add some color and light to the drab gray miserable existence of the common.