Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Keith » Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:33 pm

Eight Belles was 3x4 Mr. Prospector like California Chrome with some Northern Dancer , Lucky Spell, and Caro in the bloodlines.

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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Patuxet » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:04 am

Keith writes: "Lucky Pulpit's dam Lucky Soph by Cozzene is bred similar to Unbridled's Song's dam Trolley Song by Caro and both being out of Lucky Spell."

Yes indeed, Lucky Pulpit's dam is a 3/4 sister in blood to the dam of Unbridled's Song. However when it comes to stamina that is more a matter for concern than celebration.

Unbridled's Song's get have accounted for 123 stakes wins at an over-all average of 7.93 furlongs. Only 3.3% of those stakes wins were at 9 furlongs and beyond.

As a broodmare sire his reord is about the same. His daughters' tally is 32 stakes wins at an identical average distance of 7.93 furlongs. Slightly more (8.6%) of those wins are at 9 furlongs and beyond.

Unbridled's Song does not equate with long-winded
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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Keith » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:00 pm

Not For Love the broodmare sire is a full brother to Champion Sprinter Rhythm and line bred on speedster Mr. Prospector even though Mr. Prospector who sired some speed that has carried and there is stamina in his pedigree when you go back 3rd generation and back with the likes of A.P
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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby jagger » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:15 pm

The Sire and Broodmare Sire's AWD is the worst in the field. I don't think his pedigree will be the MAIN reason for his success. I think the biggest difference is in the training that Art Sherman has used.

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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Patuxet » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:00 pm

Keith wrote: "Not For Love the broodmare sire is a full brother to Champion Sprinter Rhythm.."

Rhythm was NOT a Champion Sprinter -- he was a CH 2YO. As a 3YO he won the Travers (10 furlongs) and later went on to sire very long-winded champions in Australia and New Zealand, This was pointed out in the first post in the thread.
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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Keith » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:59 pm

Eillo was and of course Gulch out of the awesome running Rambunctious mare Jameela were champion sprinters by Mr. Prospector and Mr. Prospector is broodmare sire of champion sprinter Dayjur who was out the remarkable producer Gold Beauty who was out of Stick to Beauty by Illustrious. If I am not mistaking both Rambunctious and Illustrious were reasonably priced stallions standing in Maryland. California Chrome has lots of Maryland connections in his bloodlines whether it be Winfields farm Northern Dancer or North Stallion Station stallions Not For Love and Polish Numbers.

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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Patuxet » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:57 am

Gulch was indeed a CH Sprinter but he also proved he could sire horses that could win over a distance of ground. Among those were several Gr.1 10-furlong horses plus Belmont winner Thunder Gulch and Nayef, winner of Gr1s up through 2400 meters.

I think it's a mythic mistake to view Mr. Prospetor as a distance limiting factor, especially in the pedigrees of Belmont contenders. The record suggests otherwise.

Mr. Prospector himself sired Belmont winner Conquistador Cielo plus five of his sons -- Seeking The Gold, Gone West, Forty Niner, Gulch and Woodman -- were all sires of Belmont winners. For extra distance credit I'd throw in sons Smart Strike and Gone West, sires of BC Turf victors English Channel and Johar.

While certainly not a pure distance influence in and of himself, neither is he a drag on a pedigree, especially when working in concert with other classic influences.
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Re: Stamina In California Chrome's Dam?

Postby Keith » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:21 am

Nashua and Count Fleet on the bottom side along with the great mares he has been bred to have given stamina to his offspring as Mr. Prospector is an elite stallion who can do it all. Fappiano being out of Killaloe by Dr. Fager who was out of the great producing mare Aspidistra who produced lots of speed. Adding the stamina of Le Fabuleux sure helped in getting an awesome runner as well as a sire in Unbridled. Milers often make good sires especially those who set track records.