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oleos93 Allowance Winner
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but you can not ride your own horse in a race. |
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ElPrado Grade II Winner

Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1478 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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That's correct. You can train your horse, but you would not be allowed to ride it. No way, ever. It's against all rules in all the states.
You could bring in a romance angle between her and a jockey... |
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Sailor Kenshin Starters Handicap

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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:03 am Post subject: |
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I think I saw at least one jock who might have been owner/rider. Or maybe trainer/jock?
I mention this because it raised our eyebrows: "I didn't know you could do THAT."
I forget her name; it was at Aqueduct or Belmont.  _________________ Somebody bet on the gray! |
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DDT Grade I Winner
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1690 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:45 am Post subject: |
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It may have been a horse owned, trained and ridden by Clyde W. Martin, I think the rule about riding goes to you cannot have a horse entered in a race and ride another horse in the same race that is not owned or trained by the rider. You can own, train and ride in Delaware, and you must be able to do it in New York because old Clyde has done it several times that I know of.
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Sailor Kenshin Starters Handicap

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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| DDT wrote: | Sailor
It may have been a horse owned, trained and ridden by Clyde W. Martin, I think the rule about riding goes to you cannot have a horse entered in a race and ride another horse in the same race that is not owned or trained by the rider. You can own, train and ride in Delaware, and you must be able to do it in New York because old Clyde has done it several times that I know of.
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This was a female jock. I wish I remembered her name, MAY have been Falk.
Thanks for the info. _________________ Somebody bet on the gray! |
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DDT Grade I Winner
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1690 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Sailor
I did a little checking and it is okay to own, train and ride your own horse in DE, PA, MD, NY, WV, FL and LA. I believe most racing jurisdictions in North America permit it.
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Sailor Kenshin Starters Handicap

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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. If I come up with the jock's name I'll post it. _________________ Somebody bet on the gray! |
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dreamer Weanling
Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Good, I donīt have to change anything then. Hopefully.
Would she be allowed to ride her own horse in the Kentucky Derby?
But if her dad owns the horses, even if just on the papers, would it be okay for her to ride her horses everywhere then?
Iīm not very good with cities. obviously. I thought they would live in a small town. She will have a part time job at a diner, and thatīs pretty much it when it comes to restaurants. Any suggestions? |
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DDT Grade I Winner
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1690 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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As long as the paperwork is in order, with current trainer's and jockey's license and owner's status, you can own, train and ride in any sanctioned race in North America open to licensed jockeys.
The only suggestion I have is to keep the racing information at a minimum, the story is about the success or failure of the girl, not racing, the main focus should be on the girl, unless it is about the horse, then you should acquire all of the racing information you can. It is very difficult to write or talk about a subject you know very little about.
Good luck with it.
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| DDT wrote: | The only suggestion I have is to keep the racing information at a minimum, the story is about the success or failure of the girl, not racing, the main focus should be on the girl, unless it is about the horse, then you should acquire all of the racing information you can. It is very difficult to write or talk about a subject you know very little about.
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It is almost impossible to write about something you know little about.
Modern fantasy writing commonly incorporates horses, or obvious horse-analogues, and it also frequently contains some incredible howlers involving these beasts.
The most obvious one is the way horses are used like cars. They gallop flat out all day, and don't need to rest, or feed, or drink.
Robert Jordan, who sold a LOT of books, had one of his characters tuck a rod of some kind underneath the saddle girth while remaining in the saddle. _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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Sailor Kenshin Starters Handicap

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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| dreamer wrote: | Good, I donīt have to change anything then. Hopefully.
Would she be allowed to ride her own horse in the Kentucky Derby?
But if her dad owns the horses, even if just on the papers, would it be okay for her to ride her horses everywhere then?
Iīm not very good with cities. obviously. I thought they would live in a small town. She will have a part time job at a diner, and thatīs pretty much it when it comes to restaurants. Any suggestions? |
They'd have to be near a track to race, right? Or ship the horse to a track.
Some horses don't travel well, but practically everyone on this forum knows more about that than I do. _________________ Somebody bet on the gray! |
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pfrsue Restricted Stakes Winner

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 987 Location: You can't get there from here.
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's your story, dreamer, and if it makes you happy, go for it. But, the best way to sell a story (and maybe I've mentioned it before) is to write something new, or at least to put a new twist on a formulaic story.
Give me a few hours and I could probably come up with several stories and movies that have been released that have the girl+horse+prestigious race theme. Look up the Thoroughbred series by Joanna Campbell if you don't believe me. And I'm going to guess by your forum name that you've seen Dreamer, the movie too, which is another story about a girl and a horse beating the odds...even though she didn't ride it. In National Velvet, the girl did. It's a formula story, tried and true, but you have to come up with something that hasn't been done before, if you want to sell it.
Also, while your English is excellent, if you're really determined to write a story set in the United States, and if you want to try to sell it in the United States, it would be to your advantage to have an American read it and advise you on the use of language before you submit it for consideration. Americans use a lot of slang and have different accents that have to be taken into account when you write. As I said, your English is excellent, but it's not perfectly suited for what you're trying to do.
Please don't think I'm criticizing. I'm just trying to help and save you from a few mistakes I made when I was starting out as a writer.  |
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dreamer Weanling
Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Sailor Kenshin. Yeah. I thought they would live pretty near a race track, but still not live really close to a big city. A suburb maybe? So they would have to drive an hour or something to get to the track.
I havenīt done much checking about race tracks so I donīt know where they are and how close to big cities they are.
DDT. The story is mostly about the success or failing of the girl, and her and her love interest. But I still need some information about racing, otherwise I could never make the story real.
pfrsue. I have something new. Or at least I think I have something new. Saying it`s about a girl struggling to make it in racing, yes, there could be a lot of movies/books you can think of. But I hope I do have something different. I have read some of the Joanna Campbell`s books so I know what you`re saying.
I havenīt seen Dreamer. I chose it simply because I am a dreamer.
I`m good in English, and getting better, but I`m not 100 % sure when it comes to grammar sometimes. I have an American guy helping me a little, I can ask him questions about writing the script, and he has offered to read it to check grammar and spelling. I will probably have some people closer to me read it to, to see if they like it.
I donīt think you`re criticizing.
Sure, there are people who would say that I would never make it or I shouldnīt even try. But I am going to try. I believe in my story. And nothing will ever happen if I donīt try. I do live in the wrong country, but for once I`m not going to let that stop me. Living in the wrong country doesnīt mean I can`t write a good story. It just mean I have to think a little about the language.
And hopefully, I will find people who think it`s good enough and want to work with it. If not, at least I tried... |
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Sailor Kenshin Starters Handicap

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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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For now, why not pick a state, and someone who lives in that state might be able to tell you about the racetracks and suburbs there. _________________ Somebody bet on the gray! |
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dreamer Weanling
Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, that`s a good idea.
I found a list of race tracks listed by state.
So... Maryland, Kentucky, New York or Illinois.
How often do you think a horse can race and how long do you think it should be between two races? |
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