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Barcaldine Starters Handicap
Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Posts: 559 Location: KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: King Ranch inbreeding |
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In addition to developing the hybrid Santa Gertrudes cattle Robert Kleberg also utilized significant inbreeding in his racehorses.
STYMIE, for example, was an ill-bred horse by conventional standards but was bred on a modified hybrid model.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/stymie
Dozens of other top stakes winners were bred by King Ranch along this pattern. But the pedigree which most intrigues me is that of the 1960's star PRAISE JAY. Though not bred by Kleberg he was the only foal of a mare which was.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/praise+jay
His sire was a $2000 claimer in Oregon by the forgotten *Nasrullah horse *NATHOO. But when JAYBIL was outcrossed on the intensely inbred APPRAISE they produced one of the best handicap horses in America in 1969. |
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Bill from WA Breeder's Cup Contender
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 1812 Location: Mountlake Terrace, WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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I remember Praise Jay very well. I watched him win the 1969 Longacres Mile. Tough horse.
Bill _________________ Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is like a broken winged bird that cannot fly.
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: King Ranch inbreeding |
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| Barcaldine wrote: | In addition to developing the hybrid Santa Gertrudes cattle Robert Kleberg also utilized significant inbreeding in his racehorses.
STYMIE, for example, was an ill-bred horse by conventional standards but was bred on a modified hybrid model.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/stymie
Dozens of other top stakes winners were bred by King Ranch along this pattern. But the pedigree which most intrigues me is that of the 1960's star PRAISE JAY. Though not bred by Kleberg he was the only foal of a mare which was.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/praise+jay
His sire was a $2000 claimer in Oregon by the forgotten *Nasrullah horse *NATHOO. But when JAYBIL was outcrossed on the intensely inbred APPRAISE they produced one of the best handicap horses in America in 1969. |
There's a thread elsewhere about "inbreeding and soundness". I offer up this pedigree of Praise Jay's son, who started 137 times:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/jays+whirl _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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Barcaldine Starters Handicap
Joined: 28 Jun 2011 Posts: 559 Location: KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Another Kleberg bred horse was the great Quarter Horse sire TOP DECK (TB)
http://www.pedigreequery.com/top+deck
Like STYMIE he was a son of the minor winner Equestrian. And the rest of his pedigree closely resembled that of Stymie. Yet Top Deck was a very fast horse whose influence on Quarter Horses parallels that of *Nasrullah in TB's.
He and Stymie could not have been more different types of racehorses and sires. |
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vineyridge Grade III Winner
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1134
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Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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They very tightly inbred their stock horses as well. See the thread on the King Ranch pedigree studies. From that, it would appear that the stock horses were even more tightly inbred than the TBs. IIRC, they bred Old Sorrell to his daughters and granddaughters and nieces and grandnieces, and his sons were bred to close relatives as well.
The breeding patterns that you are showing were very, very common in earlier days. It's really only in about the hundred years or so that patterns like that weren't the normal way to breed. Perhaps when the TB got "fixed" in its traits, breeders started worrying about "incest". Personally, when I see the kind of planned breeding that resulted in Top Deck, my hat goes off to the breeders. _________________ Thread Killer Extraordinaire |
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zinn21 3rd Year Sire
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:38 am Post subject: |
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I remember Praise Jay running at Bay Meadows. Wow, what a pedigree.. _________________ "Politicians should be limited to two terms, one in office and another in jail." Anonymous |
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