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brogers
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 Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: Pedigree, Genetics and Performance Conference |
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The DVD for the 2011 Pedigree, Genetics and Performance Conference is now available to order. You can get a copy by clicking here.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/ecards/bh_pedSymposiumDVD2011.html
For those that were not at the Conference or didn't hear about it, the Conference featured leading speakers from around the world talking about Thoroughbred pedigrees, the advancements in genomics as it relates to performance and some other performance related tools that may help identify elite racehorse talent.
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Barcaldine
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The only difference between a DVD of the seminar and a printed transcript of it is that you can't line your birdcage with a DVD. |
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Barcaldine wrote: | Quote: | | The only difference between a DVD of the seminar and a printed transcript of it is that you can't line your birdcage with a DVD. |
Were you born a j*rk or are you still working at it? |
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griff
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Shammy
Jimmy Buffett wrote a song that you might find appropriate here.. Something about a guy that cut him off on I 95 and he decided to write a song instead of etting mad.
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Griff wrote: | Quote: | Shammy
Jimmy Buffett wrote a song that you might find appropriate here.. Something about a guy that cut him off on I 95 and he decided to write a song instead of etting mad.
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I remember the song and I love everything that Jimmy Buffett sings. Unfortunately, I can neither write nor carry a tune. My options are normally silence or "shooting my face off." As you well know, I've not used the "silence" option in sometime. I guess you can call my initial post "off beat poetic license."
It goes without saying that these genetic seminars have provided beneficial information to attendees from a wealth of speakers who are far and above the real experts when it comes to equine genetics. I wish I could afford to buy one of the DVD's or even obtain a transcript. For me, both would be valuable information. |
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Barcaldine
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Shammy is the real proof that a fool and his money are soon parted. |
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Barcaldine wrote: | Quote: | | Shammy is the real proof that a fool and his money are soon parted. |
Not necessarily. I see news reports daily of rich people who you or I might describe as "fools" who continue to be "rich" and very influential.
I'm assuming that you are suggesting that "fools" in the racehorse business are those that don't agree with you, particularly when it comes to breeding data and resources. I've never had two nickels to rub together throughout my journeyman life, but I neither consider myself a "fool" nor "stupid." If I had ever had any extra money in my life and I could live my life all over again, I think I'd enjoy a couple of frivolous adventures. Too late now.
My problem with your sniping is that you've not shown any inclination to inform members and guests on this board that you offer smart alternatives to the stated knowledge and experience of other posts. A reference or link from you might be helpful.
You know there is old saying: "A fool is born every minute." If I were to believe in your theory that "the real proof that a fool and his money are soon parted" it looks to me like the world economy has more to worry about than just Wall Street and inept governments. |
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Barcaldine
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Good horsemanship coupled with a strong knowledge of pedigrees is the only alternative I recommend to owners/breeders who place their trust in commercial nicking products. Without exception this snake oil is a waste of money, unless you feel sufficiently comforted looking at a letter grade (which varies by vendor) for a pedigree combination costing hundreds of dollars.
The methodologies employed by each of the nicking companies do not withstand scrutiny. The sample sizes are insufficient in many cases; the female families are ignored, as is conformation, temperament, soundness and other critical components of breeding racehorses; Grade One races in New York receive equal weighting with restricted stakes races in New Mexico; and the underlying assumption that what may have worked in a few cases in the past will succeed again in the future is unquestioned.
Save your money. |
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Barcaldine wrote: | Quote: | Good horsemanship coupled with a strong knowledge of pedigrees is the only alternative I recommend to owners/breeders who place their trust in commercial nicking products. Without exception this snake oil is a waste of money, unless you feel sufficiently comforted looking at a letter grade (which varies by vendor) for a pedigree combination costing hundreds of dollars.
The methodologies employed by each of the nicking companies do not withstand scrutiny. The sample sizes are insufficient in many cases; the female families are ignored, as is conformation, temperament, soundness and other critical components of breeding racehorses; Grade One races in New York receive equal weighting with restricted stakes races in New Mexico; and the underlying assumption that what may have worked in a few cases in the past will succeed again in the future is unquestioned.
Save your money. |
This sounds a great deal better than your previous post.
| Quote: | | The only difference between a DVD of the seminar and a printed transcript of it is that you can't line your birdcage with a DVD. |
I agree with most of your comments but not all. I've never gotten the impression that Brogers is a "snake oil" merchant but he has a product to sell and it is a resource that I wouldn't necessarily disregard out of hand. A matter of fact, I used the "free" information just last night as I was looking at a mare that I was recently offered. TrueNicks was just one of ten resources I considered and I found the listing of previous winners for that particular cross very helpful. It actually convinced me to decline the offer as I was probably looking at a "dead" pedigree. In a way, it helped to prevent this "fool" from separating from his money. You can appreciate that, I'm sure.
Lastly, you must have missed the subject line on this thread. Brogers was providing a link to some valuable information unrelated to merchandizing TrueNicks. As I suggested before, the 2010 and 2011 seminars provided a wealth of expert speakers who actually discussed relevant information on equine genetics. Forgive me, but we already have a thread, moved recently from the racing board, where the author disparages intelligent research to support his "ill conceived" thoughts on TB breeding. IMO a transcript of his thoughts would work better as lining for your birdcage. If you start printing now, you will have 2 or 3 years of birdcage liners. Probably not a big savings against plain old newspaper, but it would definitely be a worthy place for canary "poo" to fester. |
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Georgerz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| It is Michael Powers on those previous posts. What else can you expect. |
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Barcaldine
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Shammy,
Rogers, et al, aren't selling "resources," they are selling false hope.
If you had been around for as long as I have you too would sense the wide disparity between sound principles and commercialized voodoo. The latter has always had a certain market appeal because most people still place their faith in simple shortcuts. Nicking products--and their creator's latest offshoots--have one purpose, and one purpose only: to make a profit for the companies. |
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Georgerz wrote: | Quote: | | It is Michael Powers on those previous posts. What else can you expect. |
Thanks for the heads up.
Barcaldine wrote: | Quote: | Rogers, et al, aren't selling "resources," they are selling false hope.
If you had been around for as long as I have you too would sense the wide disparity between sound principles and commercialized voodoo. The latter has always had a certain market appeal because most people still place their faith in simple shortcuts. Nicking products--and their creator's latest offshoots--have one purpose, and one purpose only: to make a profit for the companies. |
I was right the first time. You are a jerk. You are personally attacking Brogers without any merit to your positions.  I've probably been around longer than you, but, even if I haven't, it is apparent to me you've learned little from your experiences. I do know that your reputation precedes you. I hope CA's loss is not KY's too.
When I last checked the seminar information this is what it entailed. You can click on the agendas.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/seminars/seminar/register/1/the-2010-thoroughbred-pedigree-and-genetics-symposium
https://www.bloodhorse.com/seminars/seminar/register/3/thoroughbred-pedigree-genetics-and-performance-conference |
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Barcaldine
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Shammy, I suggest you read your own posts if you want to know what a personal attack looks like. As for my part I reserve my judgments for products, not personalities. Try it sometime. |
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Shammy Davis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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After considering your last comment, I think I could have been more tactful and less abrasive toward you and your comments. I don't respect you are your tactics, but none the less, I apologize. I also apologize to other guests and members of the board that might have found my remarks offensive.
I standby the position I took in this case. If the object of your concerns were "nicking tools, you should have posted to or started a thread closely related to the issue of nicking and not a seminar that is known for meaningful information. |
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