Back to Pedigree Query
   SearchSearch    MemberlistMemberlist     RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile    Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages    Log inLog in 

Definition Of A "Fashion Bred"
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Pedigree Query Forum Index -> Pedigree Analysis
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Patuxet
Restricted Stakes Winner


Joined: 02 Dec 2006
Posts: 832
Location: New England & Florida

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:21 am    Post subject: Definition Of A "Fashion Bred" Reply with quote

What exactly defines a "Fashion Bred"? Has Louis ever provided a definitive definition?

Thank you!
Allison
_________________
"He is pure air and fire and the dull elements of earth and water never appear in him; he is indeed a horse ..." Wm. Shakespeare - Henry V
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bast
Sophomore Sire


Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Posts: 3185
Location: SW Ohio

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: Definition Of A "Fashion Bred" Reply with quote

Patuxet wrote:
What exactly defines a "Fashion Bred"? Has Louis ever provided a definitive definition?

Thank you!
Allison


It's whatever Louis labels as a Fashion Bred. Seriously.
_________________
May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
*****************************
A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DDT
Grade I Winner


Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 1658
Location: New Jersey

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patuxet

It is whatever Louis dubbs them, there are rules for everyone else, Louis makes them up as he goes along. An example of this is he calls Animal Kingdom a Fashion Bred because of a lone 4X4 cross to Lyphard, on the other hand he calls Big Brown a Non-Fashion Bred with 3x3 to Northern Dancer, 3X4 to Damascus and 4X5 to Round Table, claiming that the inbreeding to Damascus and Round Table offset the inbreeding to Northern Dancer, however the Non-Phalaris horses present in Animal Kingdom's pedigree do not, why? Because Louis says so.

DDT
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ElPrado
Grade II Winner


Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 1478
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm beginning to believe it depends on whether or not Louis is has an upset tummy when he reads the horses' names.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
DDT
Grade I Winner


Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 1658
Location: New Jersey

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patuxet

Fashion Breds have evolved from FSB to FSB1, to FSB2, to a "cluster" or "inside of the curve" group of Phalaris line Fashion Sires, so when it comes to rules there have been changes along the way.

DDT
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
louis finochio
Darley line


Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 8727
Location: Alhambra-Calif.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will post those FB stallions & mares, inside the curve of unsoundness. I posted them before a few years ago, it's time to post them again. Louis.
_________________
Those without sin cast the first stone.
Louis Finochio
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
ElPrado
Grade II Winner


Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 1478
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll wait till he runs out of Tums, I guess.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Patuxet
Restricted Stakes Winner


Joined: 02 Dec 2006
Posts: 832
Location: New England & Florida

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis writes: "I will post those FB stallions & mares, inside the curve of unsoundness."

Thank you, Louis. Please include your definition of "curve of unsoundness" and explain exactly what constitutes a "fashion bred". There seems to be considerable confusion about precisely what you're talking about.
_________________
"He is pure air and fire and the dull elements of earth and water never appear in him; he is indeed a horse ..." Wm. Shakespeare - Henry V
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ElPrado
Grade II Winner


Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 1478
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's some confusion because Louis refuses to post what he's talking about. If he did define it, he wouldn't be able to weasel out of being able to change the definition every other post. It isn't confusion on our part. It is intentional confusion on his part. He has no intention of posting any real definition of what a fashion bred or non fashion bred is, because then we would be able to prove that he is blowing smoke and has been for 40 or more years. His entire reputation would go south.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bast
Sophomore Sire


Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Posts: 3185
Location: SW Ohio

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patuxet wrote:
Louis writes: "I will post those FB stallions & mares, inside the curve of unsoundness."

Thank you, Louis. Please include your definition of "curve of unsoundness" and explain exactly what constitutes a "fashion bred". There seems to be considerable confusion about precisely what you're talking about.


Ask about the "catalyst of soundness" while you are at it, and why ALL males lines other than that of Phalaris are sources of soundness.

Also, get him to explain the way he counts FB/NFB sires in a a 5 cross pedigree.
_________________
May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
*****************************
A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jeff
Allowance Winner


Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 482
Location: Nor Cal

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I hear 'Fashion Bred' Deputy Minister comes to mind.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bast
Sophomore Sire


Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Posts: 3185
Location: SW Ohio

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff wrote:
When I hear 'Fashion Bred' Deputy Minister comes to mind.


In the Louisverse, Deputy Minister is a Non-Fashion Bred.

Keep asking him for definitions.
_________________
May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
*****************************
A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
louis finochio
Darley line


Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Posts: 8727
Location: Alhambra-Calif.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some NFB thru their NP Inbreeding, they have more Inbreeding thru NP than Ph. That makes them a NFB.

1998 Road to Kisses 53 starts---5 X 5 Hyperion---5 X 5 Bernborough=Gainsborough---4 X 5 Princequillo=Prince Rose---5 X 5 Turn-to

1998 Lucid 52 starts---5 X 5 Nasrullah---5 X 5 Tudor Minstrel=Gainsborough---5 X 5 Hyperior=Gainsborough

2001 Slews in Demand 33 starts---5 X 5 Princequillo=Prince Rose---4 X 5 Round Table=Prince Rose---4 X 5 Bold Ruler.
_________________
Those without sin cast the first stone.
Louis Finochio
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
DDT
Grade I Winner


Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 1658
Location: New Jersey

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis

The poster asked you to define Fashion Breds, not Non-Fashion Breds, so what exactly determines if a horse is a Type 1 or Type 2 Fashion Bred?

DDT
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ElPrado
Grade II Winner


Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 1478
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or type 14, for that matter. Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Pedigree Query Forum Index -> Pedigree Analysis All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2.0.11 © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group