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ElPrado Grade II Winner

Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1478 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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To stop you from poisoning people who don't know how screwed up your idea is with your nonsense. To try to show them the correct way to read a pedigree. To get them to realize that you just plain don't come close to making sense. To let them see for themselves how you keep making up lies to get through the fact that you haven't got a clue about what you are spouting and have done for years.
You don't have a theory. You spout baloney. You simply found a way to make yourself seem important. Now that real scholars are trying to show people what is really the correct way of doing it you fall back on more confusion... ignore anything that you can't understand because you can't fit it in to your so called theory... insult their intelligence with this bullwhacky...
You refuse to even click a link to clear it up. If you did you know you would be proven wrong. You don't want that, what little standing you have with newcomers would evaporate within 10 seconds. |
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| louis finochio wrote: | | If i made all this up, why are you hanging around this thread? Our tbs are talking to us, those that listen will breed sound tbs, those that dont, wont. |
To contradict the utter hogwash you post lest some poor slug believes you.
You have made it all up. Nowhere else is your version of genetics proposed as a working model for inheritance.
You have had standard science spoon fed to you. You have had many, many links given to you that would have opened understanding to you--but you ignored all of it.
Culturally, we are primed to want to believe "the underdog". That's why Bad Guys in the movies wear suits, and the good guys are folksy non-conformists. Problems arise when people try to apply pop culture attitudes to real world issues that have facts behind them, and ignore the hard facts because the story line is so enchanting.
Genetics is a science. Like all sciences, it is evolving as understanding is improved. Genetics as taught and understood in 2012 will not be the same as in 2062--but the basics will not change. Chromosomes won't go away, nor will mitosis, meiosis, or DNA. The y-chromosome in mammals will continue to code for very few characteristics.
Your "theory" tosses out ALL of genetics as understood since the early 1950s (Watson, Crick, Franklin) and substitutes assertions for which there is NO EVIDENCE. You claim unique understanding and insight that NO ONE ELSE possesses.
Now, how likely is it that you alone in all the world have the right idea and all the thousands of people who actually work in genetics are deluded and are wrong? People who have spent lifetimes working in the sciences--people who have spent lifetimes breeding superior livestock--they are wrong, and you are right? _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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DDT Grade I Winner
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1661 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Louis
Look at the pedigree of Big Brown as a stallion, do this by looking at Big Sam. Big Brown shows the following inbreeding, 4X4 to Northern Dancer, 5X5 to Nearctic, 5X5 to Natalma and 4X5 Damascus, a type 2 Fashion Bred at the very least.
I will quote you anytime I feel like it. You have stated more than once that Big Brown is a Non-Fashion Bred. As to my opinion, you can quote me anytime you want.
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louis finochio Darley line
Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 8732 Location: Alhambra-Calif.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:46 am Post subject: |
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ICELAIN DIVA (USA) ch. F, 2008 DP = 4-2-6-0-0 (12) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.83 - 7 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $28,875
Owner: Joyce Salisbury
Breeder: G. Watts Humphrey Jr. & Louise I. Humphrey
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 1 - 0 - 3, $28,875
At 3: 3rd Island Fashion S. (Sun,8f)
updated thru 30May11
Sadly broke down during the Cinemine Stakes at Lone Star 5/30/11 & was vanned off and euthanized. Rest in peace.
ICELAIN DIVA ch. F, 2008
El Corredor---Lake Champlain, by War Chant
ID was a NFB, being inbred 4 X 5 X 5 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nearctic
ID had 27 crosses of Ph. stallions & 18 crosses of Ph. mares, both high figures.
ID had the same PH. stallions & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries in those type 1 & type 2 FB, they are:
Nearctic 2 crosses, Mr. P. 3 crosses, Never Bend, Bold Ruler, Secretariat, RAN, ND, Natalma, Gold Digger.
Mr. Greeley sire of El Corredor is appearing in prolific numbers of pedigrees of injured tb. _________________ Those without sin cast the first stone.
Louis Finochio |
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DDT Grade I Winner
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1661 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Louis
This breakdown was over a year ago, the pattern has always been there, you are so hung up on Phalaris and unsoundness you have to find a way to make your theory work. Change number 1 million is about to come out. Well, I have played your game long enough. Frankly, I do not know why it took so long to realize the amusement of this thread. I do not care what you think about anything Louis, nor should anyone else. I'll leave it to you Louis.
I intend to post one more time on this thread at the end of the Santa Anita meeting, until then have at it.
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| louis finochio wrote: | ICELAIN DIVA (USA) ch. F, 2008 DP = 4-2-6-0-0 (12) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.83 - 7 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $28,875
Owner: Joyce Salisbury
Breeder: G. Watts Humphrey Jr. & Louise I. Humphrey
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 1 - 0 - 3, $28,875
At 3: 3rd Island Fashion S. (Sun,8f)
updated thru 30May11
Sadly broke down during the Cinemine Stakes at Lone Star 5/30/11 & was vanned off and euthanized. Rest in peace.
ICELAIN DIVA ch. F, 2008
El Corredor---Lake Champlain, by War Chant
ID was a NFB, being inbred 4 X 5 X 5 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nearctic
ID had 27 crosses of Ph. stallions & 18 crosses of Ph. mares, both high figures.
ID had the same PH. stallions & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries in those type 1 & type 2 FB, they are:
Nearctic 2 crosses, Mr. P. 3 crosses, Never Bend, Bold Ruler, Secretariat, RAN, ND, Natalma, Gold Digger.
Mr. Greeley sire of El Corredor is appearing in prolific numbers of pedigrees of injured tb. |
When you cannot answer posts, pull up an obituary from May 2011. Yes, that fixes everything. Your theory is back on track, outside the bounds of science and sense, proclaiming your own unique in all the world wisdom and insight beyond that of any horseman or scientist alive. _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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BenB Freshman Sire

Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 2902 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| louis finochio wrote: | DOING GREAT (USA) dkb/br. F, 2008 DP = 2-2-4-0-0 ( DI = 3.00 CD = 0.75 - 8 Starts, 4 Wins, 0 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $137,630
Owner: R. Larry Johnson
Breeder: R. Larry Johnson
State Bred: VA
Winnings: 8 Starts: 4 - 0 - 1, $137,630
At 2: Won Maryland Million Lassie S. (R,Lrl,6f); 3rd Brandywine S. (Pha,6f)
At 3: Won Oakley S. (R,Cnl,5½fT)
Foaled March 20, 2008.
Won debut September 11, 2010 at Monmouth, 5.5F MC40000.
Died of "Cardiovascular Collapse" during the running of the Lucy Scribner Stakes at Saratoga, August 11, 2011
DOING GREAT br. F, 2008
Great Notion---What do i do, by Two Smart
DG was a type 1 FB, being inbred 4 X 4 X 5 Mr. P.---5 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Gold Digger---5 X 5 ND
DG had 25 crosses Ph. stallions & 18 crosses of Ph. mares, both high figures. DG prolific crosses of Ph. are a negative, as we can see any thing can happen when there is no balance of Ph. & NP sire lines. |
Type 1 needs to be inbred to a cluster. So the definition is changing suddely???? FB changed into NFB |
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ElPrado Grade II Winner

Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1478 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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What does cardio vascular have to do with a skeletal breakdown? Are you aware that they are 2 very different things? The horse had a heart attack. Now you are trying to say that only horses descending from Phalaris have heart attacks?
You're loonier than Elmer Fudge. |
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ElPrado wrote: | | What does cardio vascular have to do with a skeletal breakdown? Are you aware that they are 2 very different things? The horse had a heart attack. Now you are trying to say that only horses descending from Phalaris have heart attacks? |
Yes, that is exactly what Louis is saying:
| Quote: | | "...as we can see any thing can happen when there is no balance of Ph. & NP sire lines..." |
He cannot describe a mechanism for this, he cannot say how classical genetics would cause this, he just comes up with this vague "balance of sire lines" quote which is extra special bizarro considering that except for a handful of non-Eclipse line horses in the first 5 generations of contemporary TBs, they all descend from the same sire line.
Louis thinks there is something different about Phalaris, but he cannot say what that is. It just is.
Phalaris causes horses to croak of pneumonia, too. _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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ElPrado Grade II Winner

Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1478 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Boy, Louis is going to put 90% of the Drs in the US out of business, much less vets. To say nothing of pharmaceutical companies all over the world. He'll be blaming toothaches on Phalaris next. Look out dentists! |
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BenB Freshman Sire

Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 2902 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| louis finochio wrote: | ICELAIN DIVA (USA) ch. F, 2008 DP = 4-2-6-0-0 (12) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.83 - 7 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $28,875
Owner: Joyce Salisbury
Breeder: G. Watts Humphrey Jr. & Louise I. Humphrey
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 1 - 0 - 3, $28,875
At 3: 3rd Island Fashion S. (Sun,8f)
updated thru 30May11
Sadly broke down during the Cinemine Stakes at Lone Star 5/30/11 & was vanned off and euthanized. Rest in peace.
ICELAIN DIVA ch. F, 2008
El Corredor---Lake Champlain, by War Chant
ID was a NFB, being inbred 4 X 5 X 5 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Nearctic
ID had 27 crosses of Ph. stallions & 18 crosses of Ph. mares, both high figures.
ID had the same PH. stallions & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries in those type 1 & type 2 FB, they are:
Nearctic 2 crosses, Mr. P. 3 crosses, Never Bend, Bold Ruler, Secretariat, RAN, ND, Natalma, Gold Digger.
Mr. Greeley sire of El Corredor is appearing in prolific numbers of pedigrees of injured tb. |
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ElPrado Grade II Winner

Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1478 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| The newest equipment change we will see on tracks will be a balancing pole like a tight rope walker uses while doing his act. |
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louis finochio Darley line
Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 8732 Location: Alhambra-Calif.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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What does cardio vascular have to do with a skeletal breakdown? Are you aware that they are 2 very different things? The horse had a heart attack. Now you are trying to say that only horses descending from Phalaris have heart attacks?
You're loonier than Elmer Fudge
When Inbreeding is carried to far, like were seeing in those FB., you will notice these strange happenings. I have seen birds with one foot, weak immune systems, no balance, small birds, those FB have small frail bones & a skeleton of degenaration. Those cardio events are caused by close inbreedings. _________________ Those without sin cast the first stone.
Louis Finochio |
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Bast Sophomore Sire

Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 3185 Location: SW Ohio
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| louis finochio wrote: |
When Inbreeding is carried to far, like were seeing in those FB., you will notice these strange happenings. I have seen birds with one foot, weak immune systems, no balance, small birds, those FB have small frail bones & a skeleton of degenaration. Those cardio events are caused by close inbreedings. |
Nonsense.
Proven by generations of Egyptian pharoahs who married their sisters, and by the unhappy appearance of badly disabled babies born with deformities and illnesses whose parents were unrelated.
You can assert ANYTHING, Louis. You continue to prove nothing. _________________ May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
And wins with his character. --Tesio |
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louis finochio Darley line
Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 8732 Location: Alhambra-Calif.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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We have a new vet on the backstretch, Amie. I told her about my search of soundness & unsoundness. She agrees with my findings. Amie told me the same close inbreeding happens in dogs.
A few years ago i received an E-Mail form a show dog breeder. She told me her dogs were lacking bone. I told her to outcross & the bone would be restored. One year later she told me her dogs were born full of strong bone. _________________ Those without sin cast the first stone.
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