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Toccet02 3rd Year Sire

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 3306 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: Jackson Bend as a stallion |
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What a race record, and what a rebound in his career performance in the last year. Sire Hear No Evil relatively obscure. Small stature. Will he get a good book of mares at first, do you think? _________________ All shouting does is make you lose your voice.
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Zahrah Maiden Special Weight
Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 154
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Not in Kentucky.
Pedigree AND size issues (commercially)? He'd be better off as a marquee name in a regional market. |
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Crystal Freshman Sire
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 2799 Location: Lexington, KY
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| honestly there is a slim-no market for a small (yet mighty) stallion these days. KY especially, unless you are the size of a boat and raced and were a black type horse is just a few races you get voted off the island. |
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Mahubah Breeder's Cup Winner

Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 2132 Location: Lake City, Florida
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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He'd do better in Florida. He was quick and precocious (which they like down here) and they aren't quite as fussy about fancy bloodlines if the horse could run and looks the type to get a lot of early winners that can train on. Louisiana could also be a possibility for similar reasons. _________________ "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis |
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Bohemia Starters Handicap
Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 503 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed, I think a regional market would be perfect, he'd get a lot of mares and have at least a halfway decent shot at making it as a sire. |
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Toccet02 3rd Year Sire

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 3306 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I bet since he's a millionaire (and a half, if memory serves) he'll get a shot at a smaller KY farm, and then get demoted after two years to a smaller regional market. _________________ All shouting does is make you lose your voice.
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jellac Grade II Winner
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 1400 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't think his lack of size alone would keep Jackson Bend from going to stud in KY. Afterall Rahy - who was definitely on the small side but was well supported by his connections - was able to establish himself among breeders as one of the most reliably successful sires of genuine high level racehorses was based in KY I believe his entire career. Ditto Theatrical who also was not overly large or physically impressive. Neither were known as sires of sires or as but rather as stallions who regularly imparted real racing ability to their offspring, doing so from a variety of broodmare sirelines. Prospective buyers who went to the sales to buy a racehorse made it a point to look at their offspring and owners wanting to start a broodmare's career off with a successful runner often went to one of these stallions for her first/early covers - as long as the prospective/young broodmare wasn't on the small side or hadn't already produced a first foal that was diminutive. Rather I think it is Jackson Bend's less than well known sire (Hear No Evil- albeit he's a grandson of Carson City) - and a female family dominated by Argentine mares from his third dam on back for many generations that might subdue interest in standing him in KY. Its the lack of immediate familiarity with those pedigree elements that might give pause to standing him in KY. Besides he has very STRONG FL ties.
Jackson Bend was bred and raced by Robert La Penta/Jacks or Better Farm of Florida. His dam, Sexy Stockings is also a Jacks or Better Farm breeding product out of the great race mare Lotsatalc, herself a Millionaire, who comes from one of Argentina's most productive female families. This db shows all of Lotstalc's progeny to have been bred by Jacks or Better Farm so while Jacks or Better Farm wasn't her breeder or owner while she was racing they knew a good broodmare prospect when they saw it and purchased her. So Jackson Bend represents the results of three generations of breeding from the Jacks or Better Farm program - what a remarkable accomplishment that is in itsself and a testament to their commitment to a program with the long view of breeding. You don't see that so much anymore.
I would think this stallion might get good support in Florida based upon his connections AND from other Florida and non-Florida based breeders wanting to breed to: 1) a durable and highly successful descendant of the Carson City branch of Mr. Prospector's sireline legacy, 2) to a stallion that raced and won from age 2 - 5, 3) to a stallion that won stakes races each year he raced and Graded Stakes from age 3 - 5 and 4) to a stallion that earned in excess of $1MM doing so. He might also be attractive to breeders in the Southern Hemisphere as a shuttle stallion wanting to breed back to that S. American/Argentinian female family. I wouldn't rule out a start in KY but I would hope that it was with a farm that supported him with its own broodmares and at an initial fee that was attractive to outside breeders/allowing his connections to be selective so as to ensure he has every chance to succeed. |
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Mahubah Breeder's Cup Winner

Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 2132 Location: Lake City, Florida
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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New York could be a possibility too. Lottsa Talc was a very popular racer up there, so that connection wouldn't hurt him, and he's run his biggest races there. _________________ "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher...You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse." C. S. Lewis |
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Tappiano Grade III Winner
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Rahy was incredibly well bred though being out of champion Glorious Song. He might have very well been a large pony in size but his genes carried a mighty punch. |
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Firebrand Maiden Special Weight

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