Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Bast · Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject:

Louis,

Could you take a break from posting obituaries, and

Explain to us how 0.18 % is greater than 9.3 %

and

Louis believes that a stallion can be a significant influence upon the nature and character of descendants 9 generations removed.

Consider the male line descent of the following important stallions, all within less than 9 generations of shared male descent with Phalaris. According to Louis's thinking, they should all be much the same, if Tizbud's nature is determined by Fair Play, 9 generations removed.

Whalebone (1807)
……Sir Hercules (1826)
…………Birdcatcher (1833)
………………The Baron (1842)
……………………Stockwell (1849)
…………………………Doncaster (1870)
………………………………Bend Or (1877)
……………………………………Bona Vista (1889)
…………………………………………Cyllene (1895)
………………………………………………Polymelus (1902)
……………………………………………………Phalaris (1913)
……………………………………Ormonde (1883)
…………………………………………Orme (1889)
………………………………………………Flying Fox (1896)
……………………………………………………Ajax (1901)
…………………………………………………………Teddy (1913) (5 generations to a common male ancestor)
………………Oxford (1857)
……………………Sterling (1868)
…………………………Isonomy (1875)
………………………………Isinglass (1890)
……………………………………John O’Gaunt (1901)
…………………………………………Swynford (1907) (6 generations to a common male ancestor)
……Waverley (1817)
…………Don John (1835)
………………Iago (1843)
……………………Bonnie Scotland (1853)
…………………………Bramble (1875)
………………………………Ben Brush (1893) (6 generations to a common male ancestor)
……Camel (1822)
…………Touchstone (1831)
………………Orlando (1841)
……………………Eclipse (1855)
…………………………Alarm (1869)
………………………………Himyar (1875)
……………………………………Domino (1891) (7 generations to a common male ancestor)
………………Newminster (1848)
……………………Lord Clifden (1860)
…………………………Hampton (1872)
………………………………Bay Ronald (1893)
……………………………………Bayardo (1906)
…………………………………………Gainsborough (1915) (8 generations to a common male ancestor)

So these stallions must be very like Phalaris--in every way, including DOOM.
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louis finochio · Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject:

If you want to breed your FB mare with prolific crosses of PH. to a stallions that traces to the male line of Fair Play, thru the paternal & maternal side. You would be breeding to an outcross stallion, that would increase your chance of breeding a tb of extreme soundness.

Those types of matings above, inbreed to 2 male lines, Ph. & Fair Play, that are not related. These types of NFB matings breed tb with hybrid vigor & iron constution.
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ElPrado · Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject:

So, I guess the mares have no influence, yet again. Especially in the hypothetical made up country of "Euro land".

Bast · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:45 am Post subject:

louis finochio · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:16 am Post subject:

Your mare has bred superior runners with stallions from the sire line of Fair Play. You would breed her to Tizbud, as he descends from the sire line of Fair Play. If you can find a stallion that is Inbred to Fair Play thru his sire & dam all the better.

The stallions Include=Domino---Holy Bull=Questionnaire----Put Away=Fair Play----Pleasantly Perfect=Rabelais, all these stallions are an outcross for breeders seeking an outcross.
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louis finochio · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:46 am Post subject:

Put it Back= Fair Play not Put away as i posted.
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Bast · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject:

Sailor Kenshin · Starters Handicap Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 607

Is science a matter of repeated insistence despite facts? Is it a matter of consensus? Or are there real steps you have to take to prove a 'theory?'
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Bast · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject:

louis finochio · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject:

Bast: I donated all 7 Editions of my book, "TB Nicking Patterns" to the Keenland Library. Get a copy, & it will broadned your knowledge.
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ElPrado · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject:

Could you spell then? Shocked

Bast · Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject:

griff · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:08 am Post subject:

Bast

Have you ever not read one of louis' posts?

griff
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Bast · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 6:58 am Post subject:

louis finochio · Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:19 am Post subject:

EIGHT BELLES (USA) gr. F, 2005 DP = 11-8-11-0-2 (32) DI = 3.27 CD = 0.81 - 10 Starts, 5 Wins, 3 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $708,650

Owner: Fox Hill Farms, Inc.
Breeder: Robert N. Clay & Serengeti Stable
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 10 Starts: 5 - 3 - 1, $708,650

Fantasy S. (G2), Honeybee S. (G3), Martha Washington S.

Foaled February 23, 2005.
KeeSep'06:$375K
Euthanized after breaking down while pulling up after finishing 2nd in the Kentucky Derby, May 3, 2008

EIGHT BELLES gr. F, 2008
Unbridled's Song---Away, by Dixieland Band

EB was a type 1 FB, being inbred 3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Native Dancer---4 X 5 Gold Digger.

Those Ph. sire line stallions thru the Nearco Branch of Ph. that appear in EB 5 generation pedigree are:

Hail to Reason, Nashua, Nearco, Grey Sovereign, Fortino, Nearctic, ND, Caro, Dixieland Band.

Those Ph. sire line stallions thru the Polynesian branch of Ph. are:
RAN 3 crosses, Native Dancer 2 crosses, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Exclusive Native, Fappiano, Unbridled's Song, Unbridled.

Those Ph. sire line mares thru the Nearco branch of Ph. are:

Gold Digger 2 crosses, Straight Deal, Trolley Song, Away, Beautillion, Royal Mink.

Those Ph. sire line mares thru the Polynesian branch of Ph. are:

Natalma, Belonging, Be a Prospector

The mare Magic is from the Pharamond branch of Ph.

We can see the prolific crosses of Ph. thru the stallions & mares in EB 5 generation pedigree. Did these prolific crosses of Ph. contribute to EB tragic breakdown?
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