Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

ElPrado · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:49 am Post subject:

They aren't even fitting examples. He has them stored and pulls them from years ago. Rolling Eyes

louis finochio · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:18 am Post subject:

Most all of the trainers dont like synth tracks, because their tb sustained a high degree of injuries. The trainers that do like synth tracks, are fortunate to have tb that like those synth tracks.

You cant please every body. SA dirt track is doing great. Neil French told me the SA dirt track is the best track he seen in the last 40 years. Those FB are bred for speed, but their strength of bone is the weak sister, those FB are outrunning their skeleton.
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BenB · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 am Post subject:

Louis, mind what you are saying and writing. According FACTS published by the Grayson Jockeyclub, the number of fatalities on an synth track are less than 25% from the number of Dirt tracks.

Injuries from the back of the horses are seen more, but that does not lead to fatalities. Burning heels and cannonbones injuries are seen much more on the dirt.

Horses on the synth needs more training, and that hates the trainers.

Racing on the synth is mostly (except keeneland) running at an slower time than on dirt.

I have posted more than a dozen times the figures and facts from the jockeyclub, but they seem to be of no account to you.

The trainers and owners are sacrificing horses for their own greed and nothing else.

Entry Blank · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject:

ElPrado · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject:

Actual facts don't mean much. Smile

louis finochio · Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject:

EB: If you were riding at SA 40 years ago, then you saw these top sprinters, plus Native Diver, Viking Spirit, Ancient Title, Revel, those tbs ran over our hard Calif. dirt tracks.

Their lifetime starts were not in single digits, like our FB of the present. Look at the pedigrees of those tbs above, & you will find why those top sprinters inherited their soundness.

All of those top sprinters ancestors, from those NP sire lines, did not re-produce their male sire lines. Thats why our breed in the present is 95% Ph.

When you work tbs as long as you have. i know you have seen the conformation changes that i have seen thru years past to present. The influence of Storm Cat, thru his progeny has contributed to our major conformation changes.
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louis finochio · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:03 am Post subject:

ROARING SPOUSE (USA) ch. C, 2006 DP = 6-1-7-0-0 (14) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.93 - 5 Starts, M Wins, 1 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $6,327

ROARING SPOUSE ch. C, 2006
Roaring Fever---West End Gal, by West by West

RS is a type 1 FB, being inbred to all Ph. stallions & mares.
4 X 4 ND---4 X 5 Secretariat---4 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Buckpasser---5 X 5 Nearctic---5 X 5 Natalma---5 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Gold Digger

RS has 27 crosses of Ph. stallions & 20 crosses Ph. mares, both a high risk for unsoundness.

RS has inherited the same Ph. stallions & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries & breakdowns inside the curve of unsoundness, they are:

Buckpasser 2 crosses, Nearctic 2 crosses, RAN 2 crosses, Secretariat 2 crosses, Bold Ruler, ND 2 crosses, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Storm Cat, Natalma 2 crosses, Gold Digger 2 crosses.

Let's place RS on are watch list, & see how many starts he will make.
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DDT · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:42 am Post subject:

Louis

Roaring Spouse made his most recent and last start of his career in 2009 running in a 4K maiden claimer at Finger Lakes, finishing 6th and he was claimed out of that race. His new owners have yet to run him. I do not know your intent with this post, but I think it is safe to remove him from your watch list.

DDT

ElPrado · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:49 am Post subject:

He probably made his last start on the table in France.

BenB · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:23 am Post subject:

The ground has come too hot for Louis, so he is back again, shouting a couple of names.

entry Blank, has put him back and that,s hurt.

40 yrs back, there were only a couple of TB,s compared to nowadys.

And nobody has ever been seeiing what medication, and or drugs they got in the horses.

This article speaks for itself:

http://www.drf.com/news/beyer-triple-crown-drought-result-change-breeding-priorities

ElPrado · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject:

The main reason there have been no Triple Crown winners in the US for so long is indeed breeding. It doesn't have anything to do with a stallion so far back in the pedigree it means nothing, however. If you breed for a 2 year old, you get a 2 year old.
The emphasis is on get rich quick buyers. Get rich quick sellers. The breeders don't care if the horse even gets to the races, they got them off the farm to get the pasture clear for the next crop. If the buyers don't get their money back by August of the 2 year old year they are already moving down the claiming ladder.
Rush, rush, rush! The emphasis is on early development. The whole make up of the breed changed in the late 1970's when the 2 year old sale concept started up. Now you have loons paying 13 million for colts that have been ruined by rushing them through training them as yearlings faster than they should be training at 2. Anyone training a 2 year old to run a sub 10 second quarter mile is as crazy as a bedbug. Their bodies aren't meant to do it.
I also distinctly remember most of those examples being geldings or dying on the track anyway. They never had the chance to reproduce themselves.

Crystal · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject:

I agree. If you shop at a 2 year old sale, a high percentage are looking for 2 year old runners. Not something to spend a boat load on and put on the shelf for 1-2 years.

ElPrado · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:00 pm Post subject:

That's another reason the crops got so big, too. You don't have to waste a pasture on weanlings growing up. More room to throw the mares into a pasture after the assembly line breeding shed operation. The stallions can breed three times a day because the farms can hold enough mares for them to. The weanlings are hauled off to a weanling sale or to a specialist outfit for sales prep. They never get the time in a pasture to harden bones. They might get a nick on a knee or ankle and have a scar. Heaven forfend!

Entry Blank · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject:

ElPrado · Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:16 am Post subject:

I think a number of the better runners just weren't good sires. Swaps wasn't, for instance. Some were geldings. Seabiscuit was never going to be a major sire in California. He didn't have the core group of mares to breed to. That basically left War Admiral for the Man O'War line, which lessened your outcross opportunities. Bull Hancock finally realized that and started going to Europe for outcross blood. Then he died. It took a while for his sons to get that beaten into their heads. When they finally imported some stallions the breeders here were reluctant to use them. They had to find dirt versus grass bloodlines.

It has to run in cycles anyway. You get a number of good sires, then you have to find out what lines cross well with the results of crossing their offspring with each other. Not everything will work.

The older breeders were dying out. The older trainers were too. Some of those trainers weren't good about teaching their assistant trainers. A couple were excellent. Most thought they were immortal.

There were a lot of factors. The closer they were to the old reliance on horse transportation instead of sport or pleasure only, the sheer volume of knowledge was much greater. You don't have that now. Now you have a lot more emphasis on vets, and meds, and not horsemanship.