Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

BenB · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:42 pm Post subject:

Three generations with med,s use, or abuse, legal drugs use etc,raceday medication.

As you are not a breeder, nor an owner, you have to put it in another way at least so to say.

louis finochio · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:13 am Post subject:

I advise my friends on those hypo matings of their mares, to which stallions will breed sound tbs, & those that wont.

Those progeny of those stallions that have 588 starts to 400 starts, average more lifetime starts than those stallions that have 200---125 starts.
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parlo · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:30 am Post subject:

Can you give a complete overview over the study to verify this thesis of yours (size of sample, sex and racing-class of horses in sample?) or is there a scientific study on this remark you have quoted?

You might know that most readers are tired of those assumptions presented as fact. And after 6 years there is due course of giving this thread some meaning above the usual low level.

To make it easy for you in the beginning: just give us some 20 recent winners of TC-races and some randomly chosen 20 horses at the bottom of scale of racing-class. This might help to start with.

BenB · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject:

Out for season (chip): NFB Mark Valeski.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mark+valeski

DDT · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:01 am Post subject:

Louis

We have gone over this in the past, number of starts in the first 3 generations could be an indication of soundness, however, unless all 14 of the individuals involved average 40 starts per horse, the one or two that are lightly raced or unraced may upset the apple cart. There are "tons" of unraced fillies and mares that end up producing sound runners while there are many hard knocking fillies and mares that produce no foals that are sound enough to start. I would like you to name just one active stallion that has a score of 500 or over. Thus far, I have not found any in my search.

DDT

ElPrado · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:50 am Post subject:

Now you want them active, too? Rotsa ruck. It's probably in the 0 range.

louis finochio · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:17 am Post subject:

The breed has changed, you wont find very many stallions over 500. Thats why i went back a few years, too show how our breed has changed from a balance of stamina & speed to all speed.
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DDT · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:20 am Post subject:

Louis

But you said you recommend stallions that fall within the range of 400-588, if there are none in that range, or very few, who do you recommend? You certainly cannot recommend a stallion that is no longer in production.

DDT

louis finochio · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:33 am Post subject:

I reccomended them when they were active.
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louis finochio · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:59 am Post subject:

MARK VALESKI b. C, 2009
Proud Citizen---Poncho's Dream Girl, Fortunate Prospect

MV is a type 1 FB, being inbred 3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 RAN---4 X 5 Gold Digger.

MV has inherited those Ph. stallions & mares that are found inside the curve of unsoundness, they are:

Native Dancer, Nashua, Bold Ruler, Tom Fool, Nearctic, RAN 2 crosses, ND, Turn-to, Hail to Reason, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Buckpasser, Secretariat, Gold Digger 2 crosses, Natalma.
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DDT · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:55 am Post subject:

Louis

Mark Valeski is a Grade II winner of over $400K and was sidelined by a "small chip" in his left knee. He is inbred 3X4 to Mr. Prospector, he is not inbred to Raise a Native and Gold Digger, they both appear twice in the pedigree because he is inbred to Mr. Prospector. There must be another source for their genes for them to be considered inbred.

The very successful California sire, Bertrando, scores a 504 on your starts theory, his daughters just might turn out to be something to look into.

DDT

BenB · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:

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Crystal · Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject:

It doesn't matter if he won over $400k or is a Graded winner. Louis's point is he didn't run until he was 12 is 4k claimers so he must be why the breeding is spirling downward..

This man changes his opinions (I'm not calling them facts b/c facts are proven- these are just observations).. more so than anybody known.

His book was published decades ago and is no longer in print. The info is outdated as is the author.

Someone may ask him about a nicking, and he goes onto to talk about 15 years ago you could have bred her to this (now deceased) sire... such a shame!