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Heidilady
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 Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: Margano and Lentenor |
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I know a lot of folks keep an eye on the Barbaro siblings, and I noticed a couple entries, and one in particular got my attention. Margano is going in the G3 Hill Prince at 1 mile on turf this Saturday at Belmont. Lentenor is in the Da Hoss Stakes at Colonial Downs the same day. Not much in the way of graded turf stakes at Colonial, mainly things like the Virginia Derby for 3yos.
The Hill Prince has a lot of familiar faces. Hope Margano gets LVR her first graded winner since Barbaro. The last Dynaformer/LVR is a yearling colt and as yet unnamed.
Haven't seen squat out of Nicanor for awhile. Was he injured or quietly retired? He seemed very 'need the lead' from what I remember.
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Jorge
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I have a question for all of you following Barbaro's siblings
Can you describe how everyone of these siblings are similar
or dissimilar from Barbaro from a physiological standpoint,
along with their coat colors? Is it possible to set a table on their traits?
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Kari
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Last thing I found for Nicanor said he ran in race 10 at Pimlico on April 28th, finished 9th. Seems to have dropped off the face of the earth since then.
To me, Lentanor and Margano look more like Barbaro. Nicanor looks just like his mom in terms of conformation- little more compact than the rest of the family. They're all middle-of-the-road bay. Nicanor has more white on his face than the other three.
If you scroll down this page, there's pictures of everyone, including the '11 model. She's awful purdy! 
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Heidilady
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The 2011 colt looks like a lanky one, standing next to his mom. It's a shame they didn't get a Dynaformer filly from her. The problem with Dynaformers is that you're just not gonna win a beauty contest with them generally. I thought Barbaro was arguably the prettiest of them and that along with his charisma was part of what made him so huge with the general public the 2 weeks post-Derby. Smarty Jones was a cutie too. I haven't been able to find a picture of Barbaro as a yearling although they're probably out there. If anybody knows of one online, gimme a holler. It'd be interesting to see how he compared in terms of looks to how he later developed.
I believe she's going to Bernardini this year (or already went, I guess) so can you imagine the broodmare potential of that foal were it a girl? By a well-bred Preakness winner out of a dam of a Derby winner. I wonder if they'd try too hard to race a filly since they've wanted one for so long to add to their broodmare band.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Heidilady wrote: "Not much in the way of graded turf stakes at Colonial, mainly things like the Virginia Derby for 3yos."
It may not be graded (yet) but half a million bucks ain't exactly chopped liver!
Saturday, Colonial Downs, post time: 8:36 p.m. EST
COLONIAL TURF CUP S., $500,000, 3yo/up, 1 3/16mT
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Heidilady
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Patuxet wrote: | Heidilady wrote: "Not much in the way of graded turf stakes at Colonial, mainly things like the Virginia Derby for 3yos."
It may not be graded (yet) but half a million bucks ain't exactly chopped liver!
Saturday, Colonial Downs, post time: 8:36 p.m. EST
COLONIAL TURF CUP S., $500,000, 3yo/up, 1 3/16mT |
There are 2 races at 1 3/16 that day and both are worth 6 figures so they must have their reasons for keeping Lentenor at 1 mile. The farthest he's ever tried to go was 1 1/8, but as of late seems to stick to 1 mile to 1 1/16.
Here's an article on the Hill Prince: http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-park-howe-great-cuts-back-mile-hill-prince-stakes Apparently Margano had a breathing problem he had surgery for and in his last was a bit lethargic as Barclay put it until he was pushed in the stretch and responded. If you read the chart for it, sounds like he was all over the place. Must've really been rusty. If he remembers how to run in a straight line and is in better shape, he could do well.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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margano ran very well. maybe set further off the pace than need be but closed real fast i think he finished 4th by about 2 lengths back from the winner. he has talent. i think he wants more ground though
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Heidilady
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| bdw0617 wrote: | | margano ran very well. maybe set further off the pace than need be but closed real fast i think he finished 4th by about 2 lengths back from the winner. he has talent. i think he wants more ground though |
Happy to hear that. I was annoyed that the DRF race analysis of the Hill Prince basically ignored him, and it sure seemed to me like he was gonna improve moving forward. I hope he really screwed up their superfecta.  That'll show'em.
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I don't know what int he hell they are doing with lentanor. he's a stone cold front runner that's the only way he runs and they got him sitting back behind horses now. he's no where near as good. I mean he wasn't a superstar anyway but any chance he has of winning is going to be on the lead.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| bdw0617 wrote: | | I don't know what int he hell they are doing with lentanor. he's a stone cold front runner that's the only way he runs and they got him sitting back behind horses now. he's no where near as good. I mean he wasn't a superstar anyway but any chance he has of winning is going to be on the lead. |
I haven't seen this race, but I think you're thinking of Nicanor. He's a need the lead. Still going through his races but I don't know that he's ever tried to go to the lead. Could be wrong. I looked at the races Lentenor won and he was stalking mostly or weaving through traffic. The chart for this race didn't look like he was where he usually is, though, and the last time he was that far back he really blew it.
Why are he and Nicanor with Leigh Delacour? Not that she's good or bad, I just don't know much about her and you'd think they'd all be with Barclay Tagg, not just Margano.
When they said 'steadied on the first turn,' how bad was it? Might've taken him out of his game a bit depending on how much he had to steady.
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| Heidilady wrote: | | bdw0617 wrote: | | I don't know what int he hell they are doing with lentanor. he's a stone cold front runner that's the only way he runs and they got him sitting back behind horses now. he's no where near as good. I mean he wasn't a superstar anyway but any chance he has of winning is going to be on the lead. |
I haven't seen this race, but I think you're thinking of Nicanor. He's a need the lead. Still going through his races but I don't know that he's ever tried to go to the lead. Could be wrong. I looked at the races Lentenor won and he was stalking mostly or weaving through traffic. The chart for this race didn't look like he was where he usually is, though, and the last time he was that far back he really blew it.
Why are he and Nicanor with Leigh Delacour? Not that she's good or bad, I just don't know much about her and you'd think they'd all be with Barclay Tagg, not just Margano.
When they said 'steadied on the first turn,' how bad was it? Might've taken him out of his game a bit depending on how much he had to steady. |
yeah i meant to say Nicanor. all these barbaro brothers gets confusing
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| bdw0617 wrote: | | yeah i meant to say Nicanor. all these barbaro brothers gets confusing |
You mean you can't tell one Dynaformer-La Ville Rouge bay colt with white on its face from another? For shame! Yeah Nicanor's not run properly where he wants to in the manner he wants to in some time I don't think. There are jocks that like being on the lead and know how to slow down a race. Can't we get Mike Smith on him? How's MS on turf? Nicanor can handle dirt right? You'd think front runners would have a greater chance on dirt. Then again, what do I know?
I think both Lentenor's and Margano's races were won by horses getting an 88 Beyer. No idea what they each pulled, but that's not great right? Or could it be a function of them not racing at a distance they prefer? In Lentenor's case, a function of lousy race position thrown in there, too. If you've hardly started running when the race finishes, I assume your speed figure's gonna suck. On the surface, though, it makes them seem slower than I believe they are.
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Margano's entered in a 1 1/16 turf allowance race (race 6) on 7/14 at Delaware. Strange thing is, it's not for Barclay Tagg anymore. Margano's with Delacour now it would seem. I don't understand why, frankly. I don't get why Nicanor and Lentenor went to her but not Margano at first. I don't get the need for a switch now. Anybody know why that would be a good thing? Can't they call up Bill Mott or Graham Motion or something?
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