Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Jeff · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject:

The more Phalaris the better, that's my motto! Laughing

I am thankful that Phalaris is so widely distributed throughout the thoroughbred gene pool. He was in my opinion, from photos I've seen of him, the most beautiful example of fine horseflesh imaginable.

The speed, beauty, elegance, grace, class, and scope of the thoroughbred horse has only been enhanced due to his prolific influence.

louis finochio · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject:

I agree, with your opinion of Ph. The major problem with his male line is, he represents 95% of our breed. I have never seen this many crosses of 1 sire line in a 5 generation pedigree, when researching pedigrees.

The male line of Ph. has been unfortunate to come along in the time frame when those NP sire line stallions & mares have failed to reproduce theirselves. Thats the problem the Ph. sire lines faces in the present.

Breeders that know when to outcross those inbred Ph. stallions & mares will eat the lunch of those breeders that dont.
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ElPrado · Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject:

Ok, Louis, here's a question. What do all those breeders with the Ph line mares breed to? 99 and 94/100% of the Tbred is now Ph. Before you start telling me all the male line baloney, I'll remind you that the stallion may have a non Ph sire line, but he has Ph in his dam line. They had to come from somewhere. You keep forgetting that they have both sires and dams. I still think you imagine that the stallion has real seed and is planting it in the ground like corn, expecting it to pop up after it rains. The mare has to have some influence.

parlo · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:49 am Post subject:

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louis finochio · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:20 am Post subject:

Look at the tb Octane, his trainer Bruce Headley only bids on tbs with strong bone & a robust conformation.

Octane was bred from a Ph. over Questionnaire FB mating. This FB was bred out of a Holy Bull mare = Questionnaire, that brings in the outcross thru his dam. Those Ph. over Ph. FB matings, are breeding tons of unsound tbs, because there is no NP dam to break up the inbreeding of those Ph. individuals.
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ElPrado · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:53 am Post subject:

We're having a barbecue again, I see. Tons and tons of horseflesh everywhere.

Jeff · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject:

Octane: Phalaris over Phalaris over Questionaire over Phalaris.

Wouldn't be using him for my poster child till he had a few more starts on him Louis.

Along with Phalaris, so often comes Sundridge, the horse with broken wind, but you list him as a wholesome ingredient.

Any photo of Phalaris shows just exactly why he became such a dominant influence; Look at that big butt he's packin. He passed that powerful hind end on.

louis finochio · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject:

Sundridge was a 1st class sprinter, and a quality outcross when bred to those Ph. individuals. Count Fleet a TC winner, traces thru his male line to Sundridge. Count Fleet is still seen in many quality pedigrees in the present.
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ElPrado · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

So do many bleeders.

Jeff · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:12 am Post subject:

Lets blame break-downs and bleeding on Sundridge, makes just about as much sense as blaming it on Phalaris. Sunstar, son of Sundridge, the main source of unsoundness, lets blame it on him too. What every Sundridge/ Sunstar needs is another good dose of Phalaris to counteract the unsoundness that comes with Sunstar.

BenB · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:24 am Post subject:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/sundridge

Hardly to find an horse that is inbred so much, with so much conformation faults.

ElPrado · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:14 am Post subject:

Among others, straight shoulders, upright pasterns and swaybacked. Plus, they put him down due to paralysis, which probably was ultimately due to the swayback. But remember, he was a quality outcross. Rolling Eyes

louis finochio · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:37 am Post subject:

THRONE OF POWER (USA) dkb/br. C, 2005 DP = 8-6-24-0-0 (3 Cool

DI = 2.17 CD = 0.58 - 8 Starts, 2 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $15,617

Owner: Robert Trussell, Jr.
Breeder: Mineola Farm II Limited Partnership, D.R. Houchin et al
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 8 Starts: 2 - 0 - 0, $15,617

Foaled 3/24/05
sent to UK, returned in 2008
$160k KEESEPT'06

THRONE OF POWER br. C, 2005
Pulpit---Lakabi, by Nureyev

TOP was a NFB being inbred 3 X 5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Native Dancer
TOP had 27 crosses Ph. stallions, 17 crosses Ph. mares

TOP inherited the same Ph. FS & mares that appear with consistency inside the curve of unsoundness, they are:

Bold Ruler, Buckpasser, Native Dancer 2 crosses, Nashua, Nijinsky, Nearco, ND 3 crosses, Never Bend, Nearctic, RAN, Secretariat, Mr. P., Natalma, Gold Digger

I saw TOP when i was walking by his barn. He was on the tow ring walking. What attracted me to him was his small filly's head. TOP had a frail frame, spindle legs, & looked like a filly.

TOP is another NFB that has inherited those clusters of Ph. stallions & mares. TOP sustained a career ending injury after only a few starts.
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parlo · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:07 am Post subject: