Tappiano wrote:It was given as the ONLY reason to keep the mare reproducing. That is why I asked about the statistics to support that opinion and findings. Chances are it's statistically insignificant in which case there should be some other parameter, perhaps down to the position in the pedigree to support the opinion.
Hi Tappiano,
Oh, sorry T...I misunderstood you.....I thought Pining was all ready sold:>) In my opinion, I don't find any RF factor breeding to be "statistically insignificant" but that's just my opinion through personal experience and hands on owning and training of RF horses. I've found certain RF mares to be less significant in a RF pedigree than other's, but in most cases I have found, horses who have the RF in their pedigree turn out to be significantly better horses than those without it.
I posted my opinion of Pining and the dilemma wgc517 found himself in with her much earlier in this thread, as this:
Pining has very interesting breeding considering she carries two Rasmussen Factor's within her 5 generation pedigree to Cosmah (4x4 through Halo and La Dame Du Lac) and Almahmoud (5x5 through Cosmah and Natalma)...that is pretty amazing to find wrapped up in one pedigree. If you are a small breeder, breeding to race, she could produce an interesting foal when properly bred to perpetuate the RF to Cosmah (which also appears in Ashado's pedigree). The Almahmoud RF would be lost since it would be 6th generation in Pining's foals....but that could still be quite telling, since Almahmoud appears 3 times in her 5th gen and actually quite close up considering it's 2012:>) On the other hand, if you are breeding to sell, due to her poor produce record and the fact she is not in foal she must be culled. I feel Pining was an opportunity missed because no one tried to reproduce the RF to Cosmah in any of her foals. That being said, no I don't want to buy her...but the strength of the Rasmussen Factor is potent, just ask John Nerud who was a believer. TJ[i][/i]
I do believe Pining would still have the possibility of producing a decent foal if they tried to bring out the RF to Cosmah when she was bred....since I'm not in the business of breeding anymore, I have no reason to search out the Cosmah RF in other foals to prove its worth. Yet, since you are in need of statistics, let's use the mare Goulash....a very solid producer, who had 10 foals according to PQ. Of those foals, 2 were unraced (Sweet Mariage and Turbulent Storm) and showed no RF in their pedigree. Four more of her foals got to the races all winner's, but of this group only one was stakes placed in two low level stakes races. This group also showed no RF in their pedigree (Blind Hero earner of $56,000, Drover Earner of $76,770, Lauburu earner of $38,300, and Storm Creek Rising earner of $164,712). Of the 4 remaining foals, who all became Stakes winner's or Stakes placed horses all had the RF to Cosmah and Almahmoud within their pedigree...if that ring's a bell it should....it's the same two mares who created Pining's RF's within her pedigree. These last 4
RF foals were Ashado (3 and 4YO Filly Champion and earner of $3,931,440), Sunriver (GR I winner on dirt and turf, 2nd in the Man O' War, 3rd in the Belmont Stakes earned $816,000), Ballado's Halo (3 time winner, placed in two minor stakes races, earned $80,800...currently a fair broodmare), Saint Stephen (GR III winner of 7 races and $313,000).
Of course this is just one example and it still may mean nothing....but I think it makes a possible argument that the Cosmah RF within a pedigree isn't "statistically insignificant" and cries out for Pining to get to a sire that would create the RF to Cosmah....and I think she is an opportunity lost for that reason. TJ