Best all times unraced stallions

SemparQuel · Postby **SemparQuel** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:37 am

List your favourites. Histories welcome.

Let me start with:

BALLOCH (GB) br. H, 1939 by OBLITERATE, ex CINNA
ALIBHAI (GB) ch. H, 1938 by HYPERION, ex TERESINA

KamiBrooks · Postby **KamiBrooks** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:19 am

I'd also be interested in why they never raced, if anyone knows.

Rokeby Forever · Postby **Rokeby Forever** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:33 am

None of those unraced Storm Cat sons at stud, that's for sure!

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:54 am

KamiBrooks wrote:I'd also be interested in why they never raced, if anyone knows.

Alibhai was injured in a workout.

Bill from WA · Postby **Bill from WA** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:17 am

Alibhai is an interesting story. He was bred by the Aga Khan and was sold to the movie mogul L.B. Mayer as a yearling for $13,440. Imported to America he bowed both front legs while in training and was deemed unfit to race. He was later purchased by a group of Kentucky breeders (that included Leslie Combs II, and Abram Hewitt) for the sum of $500,000. Alibhai sired 54 stakes winners including the Kentucky Derby winner Determine. Alibhai died at 22 years of age in 1960. Autopsy showed that his heart weighed 13 pounds 2 ounces, compared to the norm of 8 to 10 pounds for a racehorse. (sources: Ulbrich's Peerage, The Great Stallion Book (by Richard Ulbrich), and Sire Lines, by Abram S. Hewitt.

Bill

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:32 pm

Can we add to the list stallion with less than 5 starts? The list of such stallions is respectable.

Maven · Postby **Maven** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:11 pm

Aferd is one. Sire of G1 winner Precocity and the bio on this site says he was the sire of at least 25 stakes winners.

West Acre is another who's proven himself and I bred a nice His Majesty mare to him this year.

summerhorse · Postby **summerhorse** » Tue May 15, 2007 6:00 pm

There was an unraced Storm Cat stallion in NJ (?) who was looking to be a decent sort but he just died before this season (I think).

tbrace · Postby **tbrace** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:37 pm

A great unraced Northern Dancer son was Staff Writer. He bred mostly regional mares in Washington, but had some great runners, and some really good producing daughters.

He is still a legend up there.

Hard to say what he would have done had he raced and then ended up with some really quality books.

Anybody still have any of those good daughters?

SemparQuel · Postby **SemparQuel** » Wed May 16, 2007 12:58 am

TSUKITOMO (JPN) ch. H, 1932 by MAN O'WAR, ex ALZADA

FiftyYearsPlus · Postby **FiftyYearsPlus** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:15 am

Here's one for you deep researchers:
Horse unraced. By a champion sire. Out of a champion filly. Second dam was a broodmare of the year.
Had 19 foals. 19 starters. 16 winners of $1.5 Million. Four stakes winners including one multiple graded stakes winner. AEI of 1.97; CI of .94
Horse died about two years ago.

Inyureye · Postby **Inyureye** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:38 am

Just thought I would post a bit more about Alibhai, since his son Your Alibhia, was my gelding's (Eromdiks) sire:

Alibhai "vSold as a yearling for 3,200 guineas.
Bowed both front tendons during training and never started. Imported to US. In the top ten leading U.S. sire lists eleven times.

His 54 stakes winners (14%) include Kentucky Derby winner Determine and champion handicap mare Bornastar.
Among others are Flower Bowl, My Host, Honey's Alibi, Moslem Chief, Your Host, Moslem, Traffic Judge, Bardstown, Mr. Consistency, Solidarity, Cover Up, etc...
Alibhai was also a top broodmare sire, his daughter Flower Bowl being the dam of full brothers Graustark and His Majesty as well as champion 2 and 3 year old filly Bowl of Flowers, etc..."

Your Alibhai:

Breeder: Mrs. George L. Harrison
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 52 Starts: 6 - 8 - 10, $129,110

At 4: Won Camden H.; 2nd Nassau County S.
At 5: 2nd Cortez H.; 3rd American H.
At 6: 3rd Dixie H.
At 7: 2nd Hialeah Turf Cup; 3rd Widener H., Bougainvillea H. (ETR), Orange Bowl H.

Died 1977.

Dixie's other grandsire was Tom Fool. But I do believe he was raced. :wink:

springboro · Postby **springboro** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:24 pm

FiftyYearsPlus wrote:Here's one for you deep researchers:
Horse unraced. By a champion sire. Out of a champion filly. Second dam was a broodmare of the year.
Had 19 foals. 19 starters. 16 winners of $1.5 Million. Four stakes winners including one multiple graded stakes winner. AEI of 1.97; CI of .94
Horse died about two years ago.

sounds like tilt my halo's son, but I can't for life of me remember his name.

springboro · Postby **springboro** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:26 pm

ok.. Tilt the Stars by Danzig, out of champion filly Tilt My Halo out of the Canadian broodmare Loudrangle

do i win anything?

FiftyYearsPlus · Postby **FiftyYearsPlus** » Thu May 17, 2007 5:25 pm

How about my respect for one thing. And I go way back...I knew guys like Taylor Hardin (Newstead) and Tyson Gilpin (FT) when they were young men.
I chased TTS all the way to South America, and found out unfortunately that he died about 2-3 years ago. A major loss in my opinion.

You may win another thing too if you bet $2 on my filly in the Black Eyed Susan. She worked last Saturday in 59 flat, galloping out in 12 3/5 by my watch. She'll be a price and she's all racehorse.

The name will be obvious to you if you re-read your post.

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