Clearing The Air

ageecee · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:24 am Post subject:

[quote="larrygene"]George you do not speak for all the forum members I can assure you!![/quote]

true dat

Toccet02 · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:46 am Post subject:

wow. too bad I'm so busy at work today and can't read all of this. But in skimming it, it seems rather silly.
Is it worth it, guys?
Just chill out.
--long-time Zoloft taker.
Wink

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WARHORSE28 · Weanling Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Florida

I would like to apologize to any and all for probably starting this flameout in the first place. I only came here to talk about horses, nothing more.

I would like to address the decorums I see here on these boards. Having said that, and having read Rogue’s statement, and having a better understanding of how these particular boards operate… I fail to understand where the “enjoyment” is in attacking other people’s opinions if we are not in agreement. We all come here with varying degrees of knowledge, understanding, industry participation, experience, etc. We are all unique individuals with varying opinions about a subject that is hardly carved in stone. Can’t we at least respect each other enough not to snipe back and forth if we disagree with a statement? Can’t we all just get along?

UmmYeah · Starters Handicap Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 632

aardvark · Maiden Special Weight Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 177

zinn21 · 3rd Year Sire Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 3306

In summation, Rogue has a difficult job, by and large does it well; Sam is dynamic and highly opinionated. Her primer on attacking an opinion is not the same as attacking the author-I don't buy but we are all grown ups with strong ideas and we need to toughen our egos to the point where a challenge to our thought process doesn't actually mean we have less value than prior.

As far as BDW and Rok are concerned, both provided more than enough fodder to merit their current forum circumstances IMO..

Now let's get on with the task of breeding, raising and developing a tip top racehorse.

Bunty Lawless · Allowance Winner Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 356

BridledObsession · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject:

You guys always have the most intersting "discussions" when I'm too busy to check the forum. Rolling Eyes

Must be something in the air though.........my life's gone to h*ll in a handbasket the last day or so too. Wink

At any rate, my advice to all posters, keeping with the child psychology theme, is "sticks and stones............". Laughing

aardvark · Maiden Special Weight Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 177

Bunty,

Equally as good, but one must highlight that horse behavior is what it is. People make a conscience choice to behave in this manner.

Skipitgirl · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:

I love my Zoloft.......... Laughing

WARHORSE28 · Weanling Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Florida

Sam · Chef de Race: Intermediate Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 4194

Roguelet · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject:

I wanted to post this poll below as a reminder... 187 forum members overwhelmingly determined that the moderation of people posting on this forum should be little to none. 73%, or 139 members, chose that moderation should only be done in EXTREME cases or when something "may be OVERLY OFFENSIVE TO THE MAJORITY." Not annoying to one clique, not irritating to a few people, but OVERLY OFFENSIVE TO THE MAJORITY... that's a strong emotion from a LOT of people!

Do I need to re-do this poll? Is there a change of heart here? Since the inception of this forum one of the biggest issues here has been that people be allowed to post with their own style and personality, in their own ways, and not be censored on their opinions or how they express them. This means that just as you have every right to post your opinion or thoughts on something in the manner you so choose, another poster has every right to post the opposing opinion or thoughts in the manner that they so choose. This does not include pointed posts made for the sole and specific purpose of attacking a person or for baiting a person in hopes of making them flip out, but it pretty much includes everything else.

There are so many other forums that insist their members act or post in a certain way... I know of a couple that don't even allow you to post if you're not on board with their way of thinking; and people here have been complaining about the fact that another forum was recently shut down because people were expressing themselves freely...

This can't be done both ways. Either we continue with freedom of expression that this forum has always taken great pride in, and that INCLUDES the people who express themselves in a manner that you may not appreciate, or we become another place where your thoughts and expressions and personalities are controlled.

As time goes on, more and more members join who have NO IDEA, or at least no first-hand knowledge, of what this forum went through 5+ years ago... in a way that's very sad, because that experience is what formed the core of this forum and what it stands for. But, if times are changing than so be it.

You guys decide; I have my preference but I am only one person. While I do enforce what rules we have, contrary to popular belief and rumors that people like to make up and spread around amongst themselves, I am NOT judge and jury on the MAKING of said rules. I have been the dissenting vote on issues that I've had to deal with in a manner that I have strongly disagreed with before, and I can do it again.

Original PQ Poll:

How do you feel this forum should be moderated?
Allow posters to express themselves as they wish, only moderating extreme cases.
41% [ 78 ]
Allow posters to express themselves as they wish, but clean up any language or posts that may be overly offensive to the majority.
32% [ 61 ]
Allow posters to express themselves as they wish, but clean up any language or posts that may be moderately offensive to some.
8% [ 16 ]
Create a list of topics not allowed, clean up posts that may address these topics, and advise posters not to continue on that topic.
3% [ 7 ]
Create a list of topics not allowed and delete or lock posts that address these topics in any way.
4% [ 8 ]
Other
9% [ 17 ]

Total Votes : 187
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pfrsue · Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject:

While I understand that there is a difference between attacking a person and attacking a statement, I can’t help but think that the line between the two is an extremely thin one; particularly when it’s phrased in a way that could be construed as hostile. Saying, “I disagree with you and here’s why…” carries a much more respectful tone than saying, “What you said is probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard”.

By the same token, in my experience, I think a rational, reasoned approach lends more credibility to a point of view than a tone that dismisses someone else’s opinion out of hand.

It’s a lightly moderated forum, which does imply that thin-skins are not necessarily going to do well, but when the majority of posters are adults, slinging insults--even insults directed at ideas and not personalities--strikes me as unnecessary.

Oh, and for the record: Aquarius/non-Zoloft. Wink