Early patterns of the TB.

[diomed]

Thanks PZ.
I would love to get a copy of that book(Early American Turf Stock), but alas, it is rare and very expensive.
Someday, if I ever get to a library that has it I will copy some pages for reference.

Oh, and thanks for the info on Family 15.

[diomed]

To get info on all the Janus II offspring I have been using both the TB and All-Breed databases.
I am finding that the TB database is much more reliable, yet there are QH founders that are only listed in the All-Breed site..
I am trying to weed through them all since this is really my only current source.
Bits and pieces from "Foundation Dams of the American Quarter Horse" are helpful(I am using the limited preview from Google Books).

As far as sources for speed(in both breeds), I am finding Himyar very interesting.

[Sylvie Hebert]

there is a book called "Elements of speed" very good try to find it
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[vineyridge]

Domino was supposed to be one of the fastest horses who ever set foot on a racetrack. He certainly passed speed or the ability to pass on speed to Commando who passed it on to Colin, Celt, Peter Pan and Ultimus.

It's sort of sad that the sire line has survived until today only through Colin's descendant, Ack Ack/Broad Brush.
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[diomed]

Domino's relevance in both TB and QH pedigrees is VERY amazing despite his low number of foals.
I find it very interesting that he is from the Himyar line, which I suspect carries a very unique speed element.
Himyar is very prominent in QH pedigrees as well.

[xfactor fan]

Domino is all over American thoroughbred blood lines. While the male tale sire lines are thin, the female side is all over the place. Any time Sweep shows up, or War Admiral, there is a line to Domino. Ultimus and Supremus are present in a lot of pedigrees.

Miesque carries a line of Domino via Neriad.

Given that Domino only had a few offspring, it is amazing that he is present at all.

[Matchemforever]

You will find two crosses of Domino in the female side of Bold Ruler.

There are at least three in the dam side of Native Dancer. (Whoops, one on the sire side, too)

Both of those dam lines were Discovery on the sire's side.

Raise A Native had four from Native Dancer, plus Raise You added three more.

[vineyridge]

I was looking at Broad Brush and his offspring's earnings. He was an amazingly good sire of very durable and very good race horses. Not so good a sire of sires to date, but Include is starting out well.

Broad Brush is Domino tail male through Neddie.
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[Matchemforever]

Here's a site I came upon looking for something else, as usual. Lists books of interest:

http://horsebooks.freeyellow.com/bibliography.htm

[vineyridge]

What a great site. Diomed will be fascinated by all the QH books.

I, on the other hand, would love to have the hundred year anniversary book on the History of the British HIS.
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[vineyridge]

PZ, I've suspected for quite a long time that there was an affinity between between 2, 8, and 16. That they have a sort of female nick. IF they share one of the two variations of the F haplotype, might that explain it?
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[diomed]

[Elles]

I bought the colonial book signed by Mr. MacKay himself from Susan Larkin. I am very proud of the book and it is an interesting read. It traveled all the way across the ocean.
I believe Susan started this website: http://stockhorses.informe.com/forum/

[Pan Zareta]