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tinners way
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I was not trying to be disrespectful, just accurate. A high priced yearling does not correlate with a gorgeous race horse that cannot run, that is now a stallion prospect. If Padua thinks that highly of him, then they should stand him.
Barcaldine, if the owners want true market value than he should be run through the Keeneland November sale, which would end all debate as to who has knowledge, and who does not. I happen to know quite a bit about stallion values, partnerships, syndicates, etc.
Possibly he can find a home in a regional market, but for someone to take a chance they are in a position to spend at a minimum 20k annually to stand and support the horse. That is a lot of $1,000 stud fees.
IMO, I think Padua would have been very happy to have taken $7,500 in the claim-win, lose or draw. They seem to know what they have. |
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FOS
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:37 am Post subject: |
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hi Barcaldine...hi tinners way...hi madelyn...hi Hold Your Peace...hi all
| Barcaldine wrote: | | A gorgeous, 16.1 hand three-year-old, winner of maiden special weight, went through Saratoga ring for $1.45 million. |
Gorgeous is in the eye of the beholder...and clearly the colt (Kennedy) has been nothing but a never-ending expense (including a hefty buy back commission at Saratoga) and thorn (if you will) for Padua. The colt's been a losing proposition from day one...and I'd be willing to bet Satish wants the colt gone, if he's not gone already.
| tinners way wrote: | | Somewhere south of $7,500 would be a reasonable offer. |
Certainly makes sense (to me anyway)...but after no one put a claim in for him when he ran for a $7,500 tag (beaten by nearly 16 lengths), and taking into account the current state of the industry and economy...interest in Kennedy (the colt) as a stallion prospect is likely in the near-zero (if not zero) range.
| Hold Your Peace wrote: | | Barcaldine wrote: | | Clearly there are several amatuers on this board who haven't a clue about market values. They should stick with pony rides. |
The horse was running for $7,500 claiming at the end so I think the last poster was right on. Clearly you've overpaid for this dud you're trying to flip as a stud. |
Barcaldine, if you didn't want to hear what posters on PQ had to say about the colt that you're trying to move (for lack of a better word), you shouldn't have brought him up as a stallion prospect. Since you did initiate the interaction, don't be surprised that your getting comments; and be assured, many here are experienced and knowledgeable..
| madelyn wrote: | | Barcaldine wrote: | | Claiming price has no relationship to market value. Any neophyte quickly learns this simple lesson. You should stick to what you know, whatever that is. |
Actually most of the claiming horses I have been involved with selling privately sold for 50% of the last claiming price ... . The price of this horse should be $3750. |
This colt may be a good candidate for teaser duty (and I'm not kidding)...if his temperment, and libido are suitable...and he's sound enough, willing, manageable and doesn't bring unacceptable habits/issues with him.
Some thoroughgbred teasers are occasionally afforded the opportunity to cover older mares, quarter horse mares, warm blood mares, problem thoroughbred mares (whether northern or southern hemisphere), nurse mares, etc etc for any number of reasons. If a teaser (in this case Kennedy) comes up with a runner/performer of consequence out of one (or more) of those mares, he may then be afforded more opportunities.
This is a game of hopes and dreams...and when the colt finished 8th (beaten by 15 3/4) for a $7,500 tag (and by the way he went of the $2.30 favorite and carried a mere 114 pounds), the official DRF chart comment was, NEVER FACTORED. Fact is...he NEVER FACTORED as a sales horse, he NEVER FACTORED as a race horse...and (ALL Things Considered) it's difficult to even imagine that his career as a race horse sire would be a whole lot different.
| Barcaldine wrote: | | Too many ignorant people here. |
Your choice of the word ignorant is not exactly one that will win friends and influence people   ...certainly not here.
Despite your unnecessary and certainly uncalled for, choice of word...it's clear that you're underestimating the knowledge and experience that many of the members here bring to the table. Bottom line...you may disagree with the opinions/evaluations offered, but I have no doubt that people here have been honest and forthright with you, despite your unnecessary and certainly uncalled for barbs/attacks.
Another suggestion? If you feel that strongly about the colt...stand behind him and make something happen (if you can)...the chances of hitting paydirt with Kennedy (the colt) are likely extreeeeeemely slim, but the chances of winning the lotto are 11,000,000 or so to one, but someone wins every now and then.
Good luck...and I'm sure your apologies (for your choice of words) will be welcome by all.
Best to ya.
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madelyn
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Oh FOS - where is the "heart" emoticon? I love your eloquence.
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Crystal
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I think the "ignorant people" of this board are calling your bluff.. What do you have this gem priced at?
Who are you? What do you do (beside try to sell horses)? Introduce yourself and maybe people won't be so quick to judge you, and you judge others..
just making a point. |
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Joltman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: |
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On the positive side, I think he outearned The Green Monkey...
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griff
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Ah, Green Monkey, a new breed standard.
Thats where I wil go when I do something stupid again. l
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Crystal
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| now wait one hot minute here.. perhaps we need to find out if this a FB or NFB before we jump to any conclusions... |
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Fireslam
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:59 am Post subject: |
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You're right, claiming price has little to do with what a horse is worth. A horse has to at least be able to win for $7500 to be worth that.
You can buy stakes winning stallions for $10,000 or less that can actually run. The days of a stallion being worth something just because they are by a good horse are over. |
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Affirmed1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: be careful about starting something here, Crystal. |
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[quote="Crystal"]now wait one hot minute here.. perhaps we need to find out if this a FB or NFB before we jump to any conclusions...[/quote]
The undead thread may be able to mutate onto the Stallions thread.
None of us need that sort of pain. |
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Bast
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: be careful about starting something here, Crystal. |
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| Affirmed1 wrote: | | Crystal wrote: | | now wait one hot minute here.. perhaps we need to find out if this a FB or NFB before we jump to any conclusions... |
The undead thread may be able to mutate onto the Stallions thread.
None of us need that sort of pain. |
The inbreeding to Dr Fager probably cancels out the inbreeding to Northern Dancer/Nearctic, and in the lunacy of the FB/NFB universe, he's probably a NFB that breeders should seek out...sigh... 
Such is the nature of the Undying Thread. 
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Shergar
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kimberley mine
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| If he has the temperament, geld and turn into a riding horse. |
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griff
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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does anyone know what he is or was asking for Kennedy?
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griff
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POWERS [BARCADINE] told a friend of mine that he had sold Kennedy for $30,000 but would get back to him if that deal fell through.
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tinners way
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| And Kennedy appears in Oklahoma for a $3k stud fee. |
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