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A. P. INDY stallion prospect--3/4 brother to BERNARDINI
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casallc
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barcaldine wrote:
Since your comments appear under this specific thread I hope, casaalc, that you are not referring to me or to the buyer of Kennedy. I can assure you neither of us fits the mold you seem to be laying.

I happen to agree with you that unethical bloodstock agents should be held accountable. So should marketers of equine services which prey on "fortunes of the unsuspecting newbies", such as Nicksters.


Since neither I nor Dr. Zoellner has ever been convicted of theft or fraud I'd say if the shoe fits...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stallion-directory/stallion.aspx?stallion_no=8313222

This stallion's pretty nice looking. What anybody asked for him price wise or what anybody paid for him is really nobody's business but those involved in the transaction.

Only troll scum would come on a forum and start bad mouthing a well bred son of A.P. Indy for no apparent reason.

Dear Lord, I pray you'd curse the bones of anybody bad mouthing Kennedy.
Amen.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's a public forum.. things like this happen.. Jesus is in another thread..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, I must reiterate that the forum rules PROHIBIT the use of personal information - brogers, you were just dead wrong in your post that addresses Barcaldine by any name other than BARCALDINE. The fact that this poster sold his horse well is something he should be congratulated for. If anyone has personal grievances with another poster, well GET A ROOM. Please take it offsite..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madelyn wrote:
First, I must reiterate that the forum rules PROHIBIT the use of personal information - brogers, you were just dead wrong in your post that addresses Barcaldine by any name other than BARCALDINE. The fact that this poster sold his horse well is something he should be congratulated for. If anyone has personal grievances with another poster, well GET A ROOM. Please take it offsite..


He didn't sell the horse for $60K, I don't think anyone should ever be congratulated for deception.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crystal wrote:
it's a public forum.. things like this happen.. Jesus is in another thread..


Crystal,

I never wrote Jesus, you brought that up. It popped into your mind after reading my post.

After reading your posts something pops into my head, something you never said;"Old Plug" That's what popped into my head after reading your post.

Kennedy is a nice looking well bred horse, that anybody would say otherwise, they don't have any love for the thoroughbred horse and don't have any business posting on these forums.

Let his foal crops run and then judge him at least for Christ' sake.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

casallc, I dont know what ur problem is but accuracy is certainly a challenge for you. I suggest you get a life of your own; at least limit yourself to making constructive comments here about which you actually know something, whatever that may be.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff wrote:
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. . . Dear Lord, I pray you'd curse the bones of anybody bad mouthing Kennedy.
Amen.


What's this cr@p? If I were you, I'd start withholding the curses on members who might not agree with you and begin redeeming yourself with your own higher power or spirit and leave the rest of us alone to make peace with our conformation opinions. If you think Kennedy will do the trick for a mare you are connected than with $3K you can visit OK. Nobody has a problem with that. Otherwise, rattle your bones and beads in quiet.

Madelyn wrote:
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First, I must reiterate that the forum rules PROHIBIT the use of personal information - brogers, you were just dead wrong in your post that addresses Barcaldine by any name other than BARCALDINE.


I think the outing actually occurred on another thread as I well recall being informed of his identity while addressing another subject. Rules are rules, I agree, but IMO we are all somewhat quilty, even Barcaldine, because even in the shadow of a screen name all of us provide information that even a "blind squirrel" could figure out real identities. Whether provoked or not, real identities are going to surface. I certainly didn't completely follow the rule after the fact, so I apologize but brogers is not the only perp.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right then... ALL OF YOU, and you know who you are, should read the rules and abide by them Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Jeff"][quote="Crystal"]it's a public forum.. things like this happen.. Jesus is in another thread..[/quote]

Crystal,

I never wrote Jesus, you brought that up. It popped into your mind after reading my post.

After reading your posts something pops into my head, something you never said;"Old Plug" That's what popped into my head after reading your post.

Kennedy is a nice looking well bred horse, that anybody would say otherwise, they don't have any love for the thoroughbred horse and don't have any business posting on these forums.

Let his foal crops run and then judge him at least for Christ' sake.[/quote]

Jeff, I am not getting into it with anyone of this forum because I am above that.


But since you want to throw down here are a few facts. First .. Christianity is A DIFFERENT thread in the misc section of this forum,. Bring it there if you have something to say. I personally leave religion out my business.

Second, I have had 2 AP Indy stallions in the barns I worked for in the last 5 years who were "nice looking and well bred".. but quite frankly if you can't handle someone "saying otherwise" about any given horse you are too soft to even be in this business nevermind posting on this forum.


Again, just be thankful the horse got a good home and let's let it go.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barcaldine wrote:
casallc, I dont know what ur problem is but accuracy is certainly a challenge for you. I suggest you get a life of your own; at least limit yourself to making constructive comments here about which you actually know something, whatever that may be.


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/20507/power-pleads-guilty-of-theft-gets-30-days-in-jail

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/46830/calif-horseman-found-in-contempt-fined
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, casallc, for the opportunity to point out that this case was later thrown out, something which the Blood Horse never bothered to print. It was a very simple, yet extremely frustrating, matter in which I sold three young horses I bred to a man for $20,000 down and $20,000 out of earnings (a fairly common practice). One of them couldnt run, but the second broke her maiden and the third was very promising, winning two of his first three starts. Unfortunately his cowboy trainer started him three times in less than a month and broke him down. The buyer never sent me a dime towards his outstanding balance, which he was contractually obligated to do.

In the meantime the same man wanted to buy a broodmare with me so he send me five or six thousand dollars for 50% of a Summer Squall mare I recommended. When the mare vetted badly I cancelled the sale and applied the funds he had sent me towards what he owed me on the other three. It made perfect sense to me but not him. Thats when the SHTF. While the first ruling went against me (per the BH) it was later thrown out and I was very relieved. No fine, no jail (!!!) or anything else the BH story intimated.

Thank you again, casallc, for the opportunity to clarify what the BH printed. Have a nice day. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barky: All very interesting. If what you say is true then you should be able to provide a reference (court order #) specifically stating the reason an appellate court reversed the lower courts decision and the date of the decision. The reversal should also be in the lower court record as well and easily referenced through the local clerk of court records. Convictions are not summarily thrown out prior to notice of appeal.

And what about the case brought by John Harris? That link seems to indicate you made false and defamatory statements about a member of the CHRB. Wow! And you want us to believe that you're telling us the truth about the theft conviction? The court must have found some merit to Mr. Harris' complaint, regardless of your statement to BH then, because the judge found enough truth in the complaint to fine you and order you pay Mr. Harris' legal fees. What's your explanation for defying a court order? I'll bet it is a good one. I can't wait to hear it.

I know that I should leave the "big thinking" to "rich horsemen" like you, but it sounds to me like you were "bullying" Mr. Harris and he had the courage to stand up to you. As for the theft conviction, we know that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but even you should know that once you are convicted, you are guilty unless reversed on appeal. Give us the CA appellate court order #. It's a matter of public record. It should be easy to reference.

Maybe we can get BH to revisit both stories to confirm that what you are saying is true.

Casallc, thanks for the links.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barcaldine wrote:
Thank you, casallc, for the opportunity to point out that this case was later thrown out, something which the Blood Horse never bothered to print. It was a very simple, yet extremely frustrating, matter in which I sold three young horses I bred to a man for $20,000 down and $20,000 out of earnings (a fairly common practice). One of them couldnt run, but the second broke her maiden and the third was very promising, winning two of his first three starts. Unfortunately his cowboy trainer started him three times in less than a month and broke him down. The buyer never sent me a dime towards his outstanding balance, which he was contractually obligated to do.

In the meantime the same man wanted to buy a broodmare with me so he send me five or six thousand dollars for 50% of a Summer Squall mare I recommended. When the mare vetted badly I cancelled the sale and applied the funds he had sent me towards what he owed me on the other three. It made perfect sense to me but not him. Thats when the SHTF. While the first ruling went against me (per the BH) it was later thrown out and I was very relieved. No fine, no jail (!!!) or anything else the BH story intimated.

Thank you again, casallc, for the opportunity to clarify what the BH printed. Have a nice day. Very Happy


So someone held a gun to your head and forced you to plead guilty? This may be some sort of court precedent for a court to overturn a guilty plea. Were you lying when you pled guilty, too?

When you're in a hole - quit digging.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Casallc wrote:
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So someone held a gun to your head and forced you to plead guilty? This may be some sort of court precedent for a court to overturn a guilty plea. Were you lying when you pled guilty, too?


Good point. I had forgotten the article stated Barky pled guilty. We'd have to take an even greater leap of faith with Barky's explanation as he had pled guilty to the charge. Laughing All this craziness is just too much for my low IQ to assimilate. I think I'll stick to watching "Luck."
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