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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:30 am 
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Surviving twins and their stories

Spectacular Bid’s second broodmare, Stop on Red was twin to another filly who was named Go on Green. Its amazing that both were relatively successful runners and producers. Would like to read stories on VIABLE TWINS such as the aforementioned mares. Thanks in advance for your participation


GO ON GREEN (Chestnut M 1959) http://www.pedigreequery.com/go+on+green
[32 starts with 7 wins 3 places and 9 shows $24, 950]


STOP ON RED (Chestnut M 1959) http://www.pedigreequery.com/stop+on+red
[32 starts with 51 starts with 7 wins 5 places and 9 shows $15, 425]


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The following article: Bella and Boomer: The Miracle Twins which can be read at: http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/beyond-t ... oomer.aspx illustrates how really difficult and life-threatening is for a mare to deliver a pair of surviving twins. This is a dramatic testimony of how interesting the case of Spectacular Bid’s ancestress is.


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Our mare originally was carring twins, as Madelyn knows.
I talked to our vet about the morals to pinching off one and to another on this forum. Why would anyone not want to pinch off a twin? And why didn't they not pinch off the twin, Jorge?

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The morals of pinching off one of the twins? Really???


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What would be the possible negative impact towards a vet that misses twins (several times). I know I would want to take the moral high ground and say mistakes happen, but... Even if the mare and both foals survive its still a bad situation and that's the very best possibility.


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Yes George there are morals - Yes really...

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okay Mehile- the topic is surviving twins... Point is how and why?

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Would you care to explain, Karen? What is moral or immoral about pinching a twin to stop an undesirable and dangerous pregnancy for the mare? I just don't get it.


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karenkarenn wrote:
okay Mehile- the topic is surviving twins... Point is how and why?


I'm sorry I'm not understanding your post. Are you saying my post wasn't on topic enough?

The only personal experience I've had with twins was a set of mule twins so I don't know if they really fit on topic either. There breeder only had the mare checked once, both foals and the mare survived but like all twins I've ever heard of one was the runt and needed a lot of vet care to make it.


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We had a mare that almost always had to have a twin pinched, every year. Thankfully, she routinely retained the other one so that wasn't a problem. Another one of the mares had one the last time she was at the farm. No matter how much you try to prevent it, it happens. This one particular mare usually always had two follicles and when she was bred, they both always ovulated. I was lucky that my vet always caught it.

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I have known a lot of mare owners who had mares who "twinned" and it wasn't caught by their vet and every single one aborted. Pinching a twin is not only for the good of the mare. It is for the great benefit of vastly increasing the odds of getting one good healthy live foal. In the case of Karen's mare, it was also going to be the mare's First Foal! Not to mention that you might get a runt that you will owe a second stud fee on..

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Jorge wrote:
Surviving twins and their stories


We all have deep respect for our collaborator's opinions yet I am
trying to keep my participation as close as posible to the original topic.


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My friends mare had live twins in 2005.

HEIDI'S SECRET, 2000, Langfuhr- Secret by Clever Trick.

2005 Doublejinx, Dkbbr, f, Porto Foricos Unraced

DP = 11-5-18-0-0 DI = 2.78 CD = 0.79

Sale Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee

ONTSEP 2006 339 $3,124 $6,042 ylg (8/9) $4,000

2005 Zenaida, Dkbbr, f, Porto Foricos She was the runt of the two.

In North America 1 1 0 1 0 4,040 ( 65)

North America Turf Record 1 0 1 0 4,040 ( 65)

DP = 11-5-18-0-0 DI = 2.78 CD = 0.79

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Most famous (almost)twin I know of is Tiznow.

On the dvd "On the Muscle" with Richard Mandella. They go to Kentucky to the breeding farms and the vet is checking the mares. He said I have a twin, then he says as he pinches off the twin, "may you rest in peace".

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Tairaterces wrote:
He said I have a twin, then he says as he pinches off the twin, "may you rest in peace".


That's nicer than the vet I once saw pinch a twin..."Eeney, meeney, miney....you lose." :shock:


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