Bend Or was Tadcaster?

[Pan Zareta]

[cissiny]

Thanks Pan Zareta

Well, in my own database I went ahead and changed the dam for Bend Or and wrote a long note about the Bend Or/Tadcaster thing. Comparing the photos of Bend Or (looks like stud photo) and Tadcaster's full sister made me think that I am quite sure that it was actually Tadcaster that was the sire of the foals, but I kept the name Bend Or in my database. Just changed the dam.

Hyperion?
I had no idea! Oh my... Hmmm...

I am mostly into "sport horses" (ie. eventers, jumpers, dressage horses) and I do know that there are horses with official and unofficial pedigrees... Mostly the wrong sire... A very well known secret is that of Capitano, sire of the legendary Capitol I. (These are Holsteiners, jumping horses). The "true" pedigree of Capitol I has some very interesting linebreeding... Here's the "official" one: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=544170 and the real (in my opinion) one: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10664004
Of course, the linebreeding to the fantastic mare Vase is very important, but for TB people it might be interesting to look at Ramzes? He was a Shagya by the TB Rittersporn.

Sorry for going from the thread... Hope it was ok?
Best wishes,
Cissi

[Pan Zareta]

Anomalies, as made apparent by mtDNA analysis, in pedigrees as recorded in the various stud books don't necessarily reflect deliberate attempts at deception. There is no published context at present for Hyperion's sequence. Until there is it's worthy of remark but justifies no revision.

My equestrian experiences began in the sport horse world (H/J) too. I'm not familiar with the circumstances of Capitano's breeding but, for what it's worth, I've become skeptical by default in regard to claims of falsified pedigrees. Most such claims that I've researched turned out to be based on next to nothing in the way of credible evidence.

[xfactor fan]

Pan Zareta,

Would you please provide a link to the correct listing of historic TB's?
I tried finding it myself but couldn't figure out where in the database this information is located.

Thanks.

[Pan Zareta]

[cissiny]

Thanks again Pan Zareta

[xfactor fan]

But how do you get to the data on these horses?

I went to GenBank.com and it is huge, and organized with a search feature, but I suspect you have to be in the correct part of the data base, before typing in Hyperion will work.

Thank

[Pan Zareta]

The mtDNA nucleotide sequences from the historic horses & mare sampled are GB accession #s HM581890-HM581905. There are 16 v. 13 because 4 are from Eclipse (humerus, tibia, metacarpus, tooth). Single samples from the rest. Hyperion's sequence is HM581898. This is the raw data. To make sense it has to be aligned and compared with either the E. caballus Cambridge reference sequence (CRS), X79547, or with Achilli's proposed new horse reference sequence (HRS) JN398377. Various alignment programs that will do this are available at no charge, Clustal W, Geneious, to name a couple.

[xfactor fan]

Thanks,

What's your guess about Hyperion? Was he a changeling, or something up the family tree?

[vineyridge]

My bet on Hyperion is somewhere many generations back in the dam line. Selene was a supermare who produced super sires. Her dam line family was supposed to have not been so great on the track until Constance appears, or so I've read.
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[vineyridge]

FWIW, Frankel is tail female to Rouge Rose.
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[xfactor fan]

Given how important Selene is/was I figured that she would have been included in the testing for family 6. However given the findings on Hyperion, I'd guess that someone right now is tracking down a tail female modern horse to run some tests.

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