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TJ
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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| valjoe wrote: | On a second thought, my be i wont, but it sure sounds tempting  .
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think will happen if they decide to skip the race over this issue. |
Hi valjoe,
I think if O'Neill wasn't on good behavior after having that TCO2 ruling come down from California recently he might have taken a stand. Although O'Neill all ready said he's OK with running without the nasal strip, if he simply threatened to scratch the horse (even if he had no intent to follow through with it) NYRA would have worked something out in a heartbeat. The crowd would be cut in 1/2 if I'll Have Another was withdrawn. One thing that is very important from race to race is consistency. There are two pieces of equipment I'll Have Another uses that can't be missed....the nasal strip and the sure win bit holder that runs down the middle of his face. He could add and remove the sure win without regulation and this would be a major change, though NYRA doesn't regulate any changes regarding important equipment such as the sure win, shadow rolls, tongue ties, bits, nosebands, dropped nose bands, figure eights etc. All of these equipment changes will make a major impact on a horses running ability.
Yet, NYRA won't allow I'll Have Another to run with the nasal strip because it can't be properly regulated? Does that make sense over something so trivial in the eyes of many horseman? How tough is it at the time of entry to announce to the entry clerk, I'll have Another will run with a nasal strip....there you have it, now it's properly regulated....just like we have to do when we enter with B's, or if we decide to remove the B's....simply tell the entry clerk? Hill had more than enough time to have put this simple process in place regarding the nasal strip. I think he just wanted his name in the paper. There are enough variables in handicapping not to add this morsel of doubt when I'll Have Another will be in the race of his life. It's unfair, inconsiderate and unprofessional on the part of NYRA and Dr. Hill TJ |
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reenci
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| valjoe wrote: | On a second thought, my be i wont, but it sure sounds tempting .
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think will happen if they decide to skip the race over this issue. |
,.....cant see that scenario even happening....
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reenci
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| TJ wrote: | | valjoe wrote: | On a second thought, my be i wont, but it sure sounds tempting .
Hypothetically speaking, what do you think will happen if they decide to skip the race over this issue. |
Hi valjoe,
I think if O'Neill wasn't on good behavior after having that TCO2 ruling come down from California recently he might have taken a stand. Although O'Neill all ready said he's OK with running without the nasal strip, if he simply threatened to scratch the horse (even if he had no intent to follow through with it) NYRA would have worked something out in a heartbeat. The crowd would be cut in 1/2 if I'll Have Another was withdrawn. One thing that is very important from race to race is consistency. There are two pieces of equipment I'll Have Another uses that can't be missed....the nasal strip and the sure win bit holder that runs down the middle of his face. He could add and remove the sure win without regulation and this would be a major change, though NYRA doesn't regulate any changes regarding important equipment such as the sure win, shadow rolls, tongue ties, bits, nosebands, dropped nose bands, figure eights etc. All of these equipment changes will make a major impact on a horses running ability.
Yet, NYRA won't allow I'll Have Another to run with the nasal strip because it can't be properly regulated? Does that make sense over something so trivial in the eyes of many horseman? How tough is it at the time of entry to announce to the entry clerk, I'll have Another will run with a nasal strip....there you have it, now it's properly regulated....just like we have to do when we enter with B's, or if we decide to remove the B's....simply tell the entry clerk? Hill had more than enough time to have put this simple process in place regarding the nasal strip. I think he just wanted his name in the paper. There are enough variables in handicapping not to add this morsel of doubt when I'll Have Another will be in the race of his life. It's unfair, inconsiderate and unprofessional on the part of NYRA and Dr. Hill TJ |
.................WELCOME to NY !!! home of the stupid, incompetent, and politicaly biased 
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photofinish
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| winds wrote: | Personally, I don't think the things work. So, that being said, I don't know why he can't wear them. If it gives the trainer the feeling they help, so be it.
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Maybe there is something to them, in certain instances. I stood a bred-out-the-butt son of Fappiano ( o/o of Courtly Dee!!!!!) who's race record was less than stellar. He was a nervous horse, granted, but when he covered a mare and he inhaled he would actually suck his nostrils closed! He almost passed out quite a few times, it was like the skin over the top of his nostrils was really thin and it sort of "vapor-locked" closed  I couldn'thelp but wonder if something similar happened when he ran. Had nasal strips been around then they would have made one helluva difference! |
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TJ
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| photofinish wrote: | | winds wrote: | Personally, I don't think the things work. So, that being said, I don't know why he can't wear them. If it gives the trainer the feeling they help, so be it.
winds |
Maybe there is something to them, in certain instances. I stood a bred-out-the-butt son of Fappiano ( o/o of Courtly Dee!!!!!) who's race record was less than stellar. He was a nervous horse, granted, but when he covered a mare and he inhaled he would actually suck his nostrils closed! He almost passed out quite a few times, it was like the skin over the top of his nostrils was really thin and it sort of "vapor-locked" closed I couldn'thelp but wonder if something similar happened when he ran. Had nasal strips been around then they would have made one helluva difference! |
Hi Photo,
You hit on exactly the type of horse the nasal strip will help. When you bring one in from a hard work and he's blowing real hard you can see that skin getting sucked up blocking the airway....it's got to help him. Yet by the same token if they are too bad....the glue usually gives out, with those horses you have to add that glue we used to apply the moleskin or felt patches when the horse hit or run down real bad. TJ |
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bdw0617
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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what do you guys think about this strike by the NYRA employees? I think it's kinda selfish thing to do on the eve of a triple crown race to hold the race hostage. though i will admit i don't know the particulars of the situation.
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TJ
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| bdw0617 wrote: | | what do you guys think about this strike by the NYRA employees? I think it's kinda selfish thing to do on the eve of a triple crown race to hold the race hostage. though i will admit i don't know the particulars of the situation. |
Hi bdw,
Just a strong arm tactic the union always used around Belmont time when their contract was expired to get what they want....they returned to the bargaining table and are expected to reach an agreement today. TJ |
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ZZTOPPERS
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, O'Neal DID threaten to pull out of the race, but over the ban on cooking oats that came alond with the move to the new barn. Matz also objected, since he also cooks his oats, and the powers that be backed down. |
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TJ
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| ZZTOPPERS wrote: | | Actually, O'Neal DID threaten to pull out of the race, but over the ban on cooking oats that came alond with the move to the new barn. Matz also objected, since he also cooks his oats, and the powers that be backed down. |
Hi ZZ,
You haven't been allowed to cook oats in NY since the barn fire in JP Campo's barn in Belmont at least 25 years ago....maybe more? It's now an insurance regulation that prohibits those electrical cooker's that we used to use. If they allow them to cook their oats that would be news. TJ |
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