Outcrosses

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

I'm interested in this breeding theory; any stallions out there that are void of RAN,ND ? Question

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ElPrado · Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:02 pm Post subject:

Possibly the Ramsey's farm. Maybe Claiborne.
Dynaformer didn't sire that many good stallions. His mares were good. You'd need to be breeding for stamina. The early developing types wouldn't be free of those lines. That would stop you from breeding for the market. If you plan on racing your own your choices open up a bit.

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

I am not doing any breeding at this time-just want to discuss it. I understand that Put It Back is an outcross here...
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ElPrado · Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject:

By Louis' theory, he isn't. He still has Bold Ruler and Northern Dancer.

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

what about Include?
Hey, now I'm a suckling!
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hpkingjr · Moderator Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 1010 Location: KY

This guy should fit your search
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Bettina · Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:44 am Post subject:

Hello,
you have to travel over the "Big Pond" and here in Germany stands Monsun (Konigsstuhl - Mosella by Surumu). This Sire is completely free of ND and RAN.

He is a very successful Stallion in my homecountry with more than 40 induvidual Groupwinners.

Two other sons of Konigsstuhl, both are FB are Laveron/Lavirco (had to be putdown in Nov. 2009)

Regards, Bettina

Zahrah · Maiden Special Weight Joined: 24 May 2011 Posts: 154

Not sure why people think outcross blood to those lines would automatically mean two turn stamina types. Quite a few of the pure speed lines came from sources other than ND and MP.

In Kentucky there's a few complete outcrosses to Northern Dancer and Mr. P.

Holy Bull
Hat Trick
Mizzen Mast
Stephen Got Even
Yes It's True
Orientate

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

another FL candidate: Sweet Return(GB)
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erins isle · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:08 am Post subject:

Also over the pond, in Europe the offspring of Ahonoora and his sons Indian Ridge and Inchinor, BTW there is a very interesting colt, by Compton Place.

Pearl Secret

http://www.pedigreequery.com/pearl+secret

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/#newsArchiveTabs=newsArchiveTab
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Affirmed1 · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:30 am Post subject:

[quote="ides of ice"]what about Include?
Hey, now I'm a suckling![/quote]

I think you will find being a suckling will lend you a certain distinction. All hail the suckling! Wink

cewright · Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:17 am Post subject:

Valid Expectations at Lanes End Texas

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

ides of ice · Yearling Joined: 13 Jun 2012 Posts: 71 Location: Ocala

Patuxet · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject:

ides of ice wrote: "another FL candidate: Sweet Return(GB)"

Sweet Return has RAN in the 5th remove.

His damsire is by Claude Monet, a son of Affirmed x Exclusive Native x RAN.
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