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[Sam]

what happened with making comments about your vote and sticking to the topic?

I did... and two people chose to insult me, which I can deal with.

ONE chose to insult my mother... I'm exhibiting a little restraint and choosing not to rip her ass apart for being the bitch she clearly is. I'm wondering if she even saw the line when she crossed it.

[Rokeby Forever]

Toccet, despite being from the Bronx (LOL!), wrote on another thread what is the most intelligent opine on this entire subject:

I think that it's far more satisfying to make and prove a point by calm, rational persistence and logical argument.
If someone's argument or viewpoint doesn't hold water in a given debate, that will show itself in time. They will look like an idiot without any help from anybody else!
Name calling and nastiness, while also satisfying, draws into question the confidence the name caller has in their own point.
At least it does for me.

While I've been dared to comment on self serving threads created for no other reason than "It's all about ME" personal gratification and attention craving, I have more character than to stoop to the needs of those that wish to fulfill a twisted self gratification; instead, I have elected to discuss the subjects of these forums - racing, breeding, and all the other facets of the industry, and to avoid all else. I also think it's a matter of respect to Roguelet...her job is to monitor a racing industry website and not be a babysitter and referee for petty disputes. I'll admit that I was a prior offender and I have made comments that could have been written in more tactful ways, but Roguelet has convinced me with her messages that it's better to avoid idiotic confrontation and just move on to one of the other 100 subjects in the forums - I've turned a new leaf. Maybe others will begin to feel the same.

How does this relate to the topic of this thread - how Roguelet should monitor this board? Put yourself in Roguelet's place before you answer. That's why I've changed what I will and will not respond to on this site, and how I'll respond in certain instances. I don't want Roguelet to have to be a police force...I'd rather she keep informing us of Indiana slots, Indiana breeding, and anything else she can teach and inform us, as well as join in on conversations without having to be an editor. As far as subject matter - let it all hang out. If a certain subject is not of interest, move on to another - the same reason that a TV has a remote control. What interests some may or may not interest others...but censoring ideas and subjects isn't the answer.

There are some really brilliant people that comment on these forums - they offer insights and experiences that we can all learn from. Let's appreciate the expertise of others that is shared in these forums as opposed to "You're an idiot" type bickering.

[Arctic Cielo]

Sam- I was talking about the same problem that is the reason behind this thread, I assume.

[BJ]

I have one mom, I don't need a few dozen others trying to police my language or opinion.

Either your Mom didn't teach you very well, or you are just not a good student

And you think insulting my mother is a mature adult response, BJ?

I find it to be right in line with the comment I responded to. Notice how I was able to resond to it without calling you, or anyone else a name, nor using any profanity. Do YOU think your Mom taught you well how to behave in public? If so, then the latter part of my response must be the case. But YOU chose to blame your Mom for your failings.

You seem to be so adamant that no one offend you, nor ask you a question that might ask YOU how you would "feel" about something, when YOU accuse others of being purely emotional...for which you let loose a hail storm of foul vomit...but no one is to tell YOU how to behave!? If anyone does..."them's fightin' words!"

So typical.

[BJ]

what happened with making comments about your vote and sticking to the topic?

I did... and two people chose to insult me, which I can deal with.

ONE chose to insult my mother... I'm exhibiting a little restraint and choosing not to rip her ass apart for being the bitch she clearly is. I'm wondering if she even saw the line when she crossed it.

Oh Sam...Thank you so much for making my day...

[Sam]

Do YOU think your Mom taught you well how to behave in public?

If you were stupid enough to insult my grandmother in front of my mom, you would not be conscious when you hit the floor.

Insult me, not my family or shall I start ripping on Beautiful Jewel and telling you what a trash mare she is, Victoria? At least you can't breed O'Greedy.

You just made this personal. Live with the consequences. My first two posts had NOTHING to do with you specificly. See my early statement about not starting anything because it covers my own ass. YOU chose to make it personal by insulting my mother.

But YOU chose to blame your Mom for your failings.

Please show me where I indicated I blamed my mom for any "failings."

You seem to be so adamant that no one offend you

Wrong. Try to offend me all you like. You managed to accomplish it this time, but this is a rarity.

I'm not advocating people be censored in how they say something or what they say. You're doing that, Victoria. You're the one suggesting you should be allowed to express your opinion however you like, but no one else is allowed to respond to it in the manner they chose.

If you can't handle someone telling you your opinion is moronic, keep it to yourself. If you are so sensitive that you can't handle someone telling you what they really think of you, that's your problem.

I'm saying you don't have any more right to say I can't tell you you're acting like a cow than you have a right to tell me to tone it down.

I'm also pointing out it's the idiots like you -- who admit they have no restraint, who admit they can't ignore someone attacking them (then you have the balls to imply I shouldn't have just called you on insulting my mother ), who can't keep from responding to people they don't like and who always have to have the last word on a topic -- who advocate for more censorship on message boards. So you want the rest of us to pay because you can't control yourself?

but no one is to tell YOU how to behave!?

You may behave like a bitch all you want, Victoria. Just stop whining about being attacked when you get called on it.

[BJ]

According to my sources Jennifer McKague, I guess I'm lucky you didn't throw a beer bottle at me.

You insult your Mother every time you open your mouth. What an embarrassment you must be for her.

[BJ]

I'm also pointing out it's the idiots like you -- who admit they have no restraint, who admit they can't ignore someone attacking them

Oh...I get it ...you can "attack", but if someone responds to that attack, they are the idiots? Is that your position?

[Toccet02]

My vote is "Other."

I vote for the Moderator to do it her way. Judge Jury and Executioner.

Interesting. Makes sense. But I wouldn't say that last word too loud around Moderator while she tries to straighten all this out!

[Sam]

According to my sources Jennifer McKague, I guess I'm lucky you didn't throw a beer bottle at me.

You insult your Mother every time you open your mouth. What an embarrassment you must be for her.

Ah, yes, I was waiting for that one. Funny how someone passing a drink over morphs into drunken rage beer bottle throwing. It's all about spin. If you want to repeat exaggerated stories you dug up on the internet, go for it. It's not doing anything to my reputation. That story has been circulating for 7 years and most people know the person who started it isn't even high class enough to be called white trash.

But I'd really like to thank you for making the effort to go google diving to look for dirt on me to bring back to a completely unrelated message board in an effort to try and make me look bad. Remember what I said about no one can make you look like an ass -- you do a bang up job of it on your own?

Do you think bringing up outside lies unrelated to this message board makes you look good? Neither one of us are coming off well in this little exchange. The difference is, I know it and you don't. You think you are in the right to act like you are and no one is going to think badly of you for it. I know I'm coming off as a bitch -- I also know most realize I'm being provoked.

Tell me, do you see any difference in what you just did and Edie constantly bringing up Michael's past indiscretions? Aren't you the one who was earlier expressing her disgust at the insults and advocating anyone who started fights like you just did should be banned?

You need to look up the word "escalation."

I commented on the subject of the thread, twice. YOU chose to insult me and when I responded in kind, you took it a step farther and insulted my mother and continue to do so. YOU are the one who stated she doesn't possess the self control to walk away rather than be drawn into a flame war because she can't handle her opinion or her person being insulted.

YOU are the one who started this nice little pissing contest. YOU came after me first, Victoria and I was perfectly justified in returning fire.

Here's where I get to demonstrate that I'm a bigger/better person than you could ever hope to be. I'm walking away. You may have the last word because I know you can't let this go.

I don't time to deal with this anyway. I'm suppose to be in LA tomorrow morning for a meeting. Y'all have fun tearing each other apart and acting like I'm the instigator. I'll be back on Sunday to see how many fights started without me.

[BJ]

But YOU chose to blame your Mom for your failings.

Please show me where I indicated I blamed my mom for any "failings."

In the following quote, wherein you automatically take a two-part "either/or" sentence and YOU ASSUME I was insulting your mother.

I have one mom, I don't need a few dozen others trying to police my language or opinion.

Either your Mom didn't teach you very well, or you are just not a good student.

And you think insulting my mother is a mature adult response, BJ?

Therefore, YOU chose to make it the first part of the "either/or" CHOICE, and blame your Mom. So YOU insulted your Mom. I gave you the choice. You chose to take the "either" part of the choice. You could have just as easily said, you aren't a very good student of reasonable public discourse. You CHOSE to make it about your Mom, in both your posts.

I guess that is just another example of how easily YOU go "off" and into "victim" mode. You make it a little difficult to NOT insult you, when you go looking to be insulted/offended, so you can have an EXCUSE for your need to spew YOUR lack of breeding.

[Roguelet]

OK, I'm done. Here's what's going to happen now, and if you have a problem with me handling things this way, I suggest you go take it up with Miles OR find somewhere else to spend your Internet time, because I am no longer in the mood to be diplomatic or to play nice.

It is now 8:10 PM EST on Tuesday, March 26th. The very next person to post a nasty comment directed at another poster; whether it be a direct form of hate-spewing or a sneaky, roundabout, insinuating form of hate-spewing, will IMMEDIATELY be banned from this forum. IMMEDIATELY means NO warnings. Period.

So, I would suggest very strongly that each person here think long and hard before they hit that send button. This does not mean that you cannot disagree with someone's point of view, but I would strongly suggest that anyone who plans on hiding behind that excuse to post something inappropriate (directly OR by innuendo) think again. For the purposes of this exercise I am going to assume that each and every poster here has enough common sense to know when they are crossing the line. If you doubt your ability to be aware of that line, I suggest you stay VERY FAR away from it.

The rest of you please, continue to vote and post opinions on how you would like this board moderated. Someone will be banned over this, probably tonight, maybe tomorrow, maybe next week... but whoever CAN'T LET IT GO will simply be gone, and the rest of us will still need to decide how we want to continue on with our more enjoyable forum.

[Sysonby]

I'm voting for "other".

My preference is that we get an "ignore" feature so that we as individual posters can filter out the unwanted noise that's polluting the information ratio on this forum.

Then we can never complain that our tender sensibilities are being trodden upon.

[BJ]

Actually Sam...if I were to want to "make you look bad", I would either post some of your "Sam Piper" posts off the internet, OR...(there's that CHOICE thing again), just let you go on and on as only YOU can!

I can see your frustration though...how you've had to tone it down so much on this board, compared to most of your internet contributions.

[nythoroughbredvz]

this query is the best thing that i have came accross in the thoroughbred industry. honnest advice, and help, knowledgable and fun loving people that care about horses.. but all i ask for is if you are typing something to someone else do so as if you were 2 inches away talking to them in person. and show the respect and courtousy you would want back in return from a conversation! I for one have driven from NY to NC just to meet someone that was rude to me on the phone, and i doubt he will never be rude again in the near future.. so to those that deserve it thank you, and to those that dont, thank you too. as for myself Rouglet has the power!