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It's a start

Postby galleria10 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:06 am

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Postby Laurierace » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:38 am

Oh its gotten way better than that. He was arrested and charged with 22 cases of animal cruelty. As we all learned from Gerry's massacre however the most they will prosecute for in NY is 6 regardless of how many there actually are. But yes it is a start and much better than nothing.

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Postby Linda_d » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Laurierace wrote:Oh its gotten way better than that. He was arrested and charged with 22 cases of animal cruelty. As we all learned from Gerry's massacre however the most they will prosecute for in NY is 6 regardless of how many there actually are. But yes it is a start and much better than nothing.


I'm hoping you're wrong, Laurie. I used to live in southern Albany County, about 15-20 miles or so from Climax, so I'm familiar with the area. It's very different demographically than the area where Gerry was located. Gerry's area is a much poorer and more conservative an area, relatively speaking, than the Hudson Valley in Greene and Columbia Counties, which is home to many NYC expatriots (and some long distance NYC commuters). I think that works against Paragello because there are lots of "horse people" in the area, and that may convince the prosecuter to go after him.

Also, Paragello is a big name in NY racing as opposed to Gerry, whom I'm sure also played the "poverty card". It's hard to cry poverty and gain sympathy when you own part of a stallion that has a $200,000 stud fee -- and breeds over a 100 mares a year.

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Postby Laurierace » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:49 pm

I just remember them saying in the state of NY the maximum number of charges that could be prosecuted was 6. I guess that could be wrong but I really think that was the explanation used in her case as to why so few charges when that wasn't even one charge for each dead horse. And no matter how egregious they could only be misdemeanors.

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Postby Linda_d » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:26 am

Laurierace wrote:I just remember them saying in the state of NY the maximum number of charges that could be prosecuted was 6. I guess that could be wrong but I really think that was the explanation used in her case as to why so few charges when that wasn't even one charge for each dead horse. And no matter how egregious they could only be misdemeanors.


That could be true, but I hope it's not.

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Postby Gerry » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:05 pm

There is no limit in NY to the # of charges that can be brought and prosecuted. They only charged me with 5 and settled on 2 because that was all that could be proven. It they can prove 22 on Paraneck he will get all 22. Which is probably why he actually went to jail and was handcuffed.

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Postby el camino » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:47 pm

Gerry,
You were just given appearance tickets? In NY this a Crime (misd. and felonies) which makes it an arrestable offense. Also you live in the county you were charged in Ernie does not.

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Postby el camino » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:51 pm

The thing with Ernie too, he was warned just a year or two ago and he narrowly missed being charged so there is a history. While no one thought Gerry had a top flight farm, she was someone who actually helped "rescue" horses so it caught people off guard, plus she had boarders. I dont think Ernie did.

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Postby Linda_d » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:33 pm

el camino wrote:The thing with Ernie too, he was warned just a year or two ago and he narrowly missed being charged so there is a history. While no one thought Gerry had a top flight farm, she was someone who actually helped "rescue" horses so it caught people off guard, plus she had boarders. I dont think Ernie did.


I hadn't thought of that angle. I think that Gerry's was a very local case, handled by the local sheriff and DA. I believe the news accounts said that the State Police led the raid on Paragello's farm, so that may mean that this is going to be a state case, which probably doesn't bode well for Paragello since the state AG (Andrew Cuomo) has aspirations to be the next governor.

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Postby el camino » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:48 pm

That doesn't matter it's a criminal matter so it's prosecuted by the DA not the AG. What I meant is that if some one commits a crime in your jurisdiction, a town in this case, I think, if the person lives locally you are less likely to not do an immediate arraignment. Now Ernie does not reside in Greene county so the local P.D. were more likely to do an immediate arraignemnt, (cuff and stuff and drag him in front of the judge and let him make bail).

Gerry wasn't not likely to go any where so they may not have taken her in front of the judge right away. They probably felt comfortable just issuing her the tickets. It makes no difference in terms of the perceived severity of the crime in this instance. So when Gerry says I was not hand cuffed and Ernie was it doesn't mean what he did was worse it just that she lived local and probably was less of a flight risk.

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Postby ireneinwa » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:34 pm

Don't know about state laws there but in Wa.
most mis. charges are cited out....depending upon your history re: FTA's. , etc. you may have to post bail.

Gross mis. it's common to have a bail amount set

Felony's never seen anyone just cited and released

When bail is set your cuffed, booked, post bail then released.

And arraignment on criminal charges always is within 2-3 days at most depending on holidays/weekend

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Postby el camino » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:45 am

Is it just me or does it seem wierd having Gerry and Ernie posting about this? It's like Eichmann on an Isreali chat room.

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Postby zinn21 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:33 am

El Camino wrote:

Is it just me or does it seem wierd having Gerry and Ernie posting about this? It's like Eichmann on an Isreali chat room.


Ditto.. I do appreciate "Ernie's" remorse but some of the pics I have seen of the stock on his farm are quite disturbing.

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Postby pfrsue » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:50 am

I don't think Galleria is Ernie. He/She is just posting articles and quotes.

Gerry, on the other hand, I really can't imagine ...

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Thank you pfrsue

Postby galleria10 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:16 am

I just copied the note from Thoroughbred Champions so this board could see what he said. Or should I say how he is trying to cover his azz. He's raking in BIG bucks and has almost 200 horses starving on a farm. I hope he is kicked out of this business. He should NEVER be allowed to own or make a buck on a horse again. :evil:
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