"Rachel Alexandra: The Secret of Her Success"

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"Rachel Alexandra: The Secret of Her Success"

Postby llbean » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:29 am

Hi All,

I just finished writing an article on the pedigree of Rachel Alexandra.

You can find it here:

http://www.venturageoscore.com/RachelAlexandra.html

Any comments or questions on it are appreciated.

Also, I was wondering if anyone has opinions on who Rachel should be bred to?

Thanks,

-llbean
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Postby Matchemforever » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:41 pm

Birdstone.

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Postby ratherrapid » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:49 pm

personally i believe there's value of pedigree analysis, including this one, but also must observe that this suffers the perils of small sample, and also tunnel vision analysis. there's the question of whether any other successful sample of the same breeding pattern exists--and this is the gross weakness of pedigree analysis that there are always very few samples of the supposed success--. Rachel A is fast. Faster than either her sire or Cure the blues a long striding bounder. where does the speed come from would be my question, with the original post providing back ground. enjoyed reading it since i now know my horse's problems. zero "clusters" on the pedigree page. 8)

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Postby ASB » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:16 pm

While I do give some respect to the cluster theories, I can't help but think you might be focusing on the wrong part of her pedigree as the genetic pot of gold, if you will.

From three foals out of Roar mares, two are stakes winners. The Roar mares are rather modestly bred yet the runners are certainly quality.

That would be where my focus would lie if I was deconstructing her pedigree.

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Postby vineyridge » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:54 am

I've always wondered why Ghazni and Cap and Bells weren't Reines. Seems to me they deserve to be.
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Re: "Rachel Alexandra: The Secret of Her Success"

Postby FOS » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:05 pm

hi llbean

llbean wrote:Hi All,

I just finished writing an article on the pedigree of Rachel Alexandra.

You can find it here:

http://www.venturageoscore.com/RachelAlexandra.html

Any comments or questions on it are appreciated.

Also, I was wondering if anyone has opinions on who Rachel should be bred to?

Thanks,

-llbean

Does your system and/or recommendations take into account the physical-makeup/conformation of the prospective mates...and their physical strengths, weaknesses, temperament etc?

Best.

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Re: "Rachel Alexandra: The Secret of Her Success"

Postby FOS » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:08 pm

hi llbean...Michael

Continuing the thought...I'd like to Congratulate you. I appreciate the time and effort you've invested...and wish you all the luck re your venture.

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Postby llbean » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:34 am

Thanks FOS,

When a mare or stallion owner hires me to provide a pedigree analysis report, I will include analysis regarding conformation issues so long as they are willing to provide me adequate information on the conformation of their horse.

I am willing to admit, though, that I'm more of an expert on pedigrees.

With the Ventura GeoScore, it isn't based on any direct data on conformation.

It just is that if the conformation of two ancestors are compatible that might create a situation where they'll have had success crossed with each other, which will in turn cause the cross to get a high VGS.
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Postby FOS » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:34 pm

hi llbean

Thanks for sharing some of your thoughts and insights re your VGS creation...and answering some questions. Much appreciated.

llbean wrote:... I was wondering if anyone has opinions on who Rachel should be bred to? ...

Selecting a stallion for a young Rachel A may be so ego-driven that it may come down to Curlin, or Curlin, or maybe Curlin :wink: :lol: .

If Jess J is willing to think outside the Curlin box though, DYNAFORMER is one that might make a whole lotta sense.

Imagine if Rachel A had a Dynaformer colt that could really run...WOW, talk about excitement and potential stallion-prospect sizzle extraordinaire.

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Bernardini

Postby hpkingjr » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:34 am

I lov the hypo ating with these two.

The equivalants are interesting:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... d=&x=0&y=0

Bernardini reinforces all the best in Rachel.

FOS:
Do you think Dynaformer's stud manager would break his rule of no maiden mares to Dynaformer for Rachel?
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Re: Bernardini

Postby ASB » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:08 am

hpkingjr wrote:FOS:
Do you think Dynaformer's stud manager would break his rule of no maiden mares to Dynaformer for Rachel?


Her rule. Sandy Hatfield is the stallion manager at Three Chimneys. I believe the only woman in such a role at any major Kentucky farms.