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Postby Diane » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:36 pm

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ky-trainer
This is the link to the first article I read mentioning the needle.

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Postby Barn 31 T-breds » Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:20 am

Last night I was talking to a friend of mine who races in Ky and the subject of the vodka suspension came up. Apparently the guy who was suspended is a friend of his. During our conversation he reminded me of the Tiznow / vodka controversy of several years ago. I had completely forgotten it.

I'd like to share excerpts from an LA times article on the subject. I hope this doesn't qualify as spreading racetrack gossip:

Taming Tiznow Can Be Classic Problem

October 26, 2001|BILL CHRISTINE, TIMES STAFF WRITER

ELMONT, N.Y. — Last Sunday night, Tiznow hadn't quite driven trainer Jay Robbins to drink, but the veteran California horseman made a trip to a liquor store just the same.

"I got there too late," Robbins said Thursday. "They had already closed."

Then came Monday morning, and Robbins, like most trainers, was due at Tiznow's barn very early, well before any New York liquor store would open. The 4-year-old colt doesn't know it, but Robbins' poor timing saved Tiznow from a breakfast that would have started with a hearty belt of vodka. Had that happened, they could have changed Tiznow's name to W.C. Fields before he ran at Belmont Park Saturday in the $4-million Breeders' Cup Classic.

"He's given us a lot of problems in the mornings for some time now," Robbins said of Tiznow, winner of last year's Classic at Churchill Downs. "I thought the vodka might act like a tranquilizer. But we just decided to let him take his time getting from the barn to the track, and that appears to be working. He won't need the vodka."

Asked for specifics about considering vodka to soothe his recalcitrant morning worker, Robbins said:

"It's not a new remedy. It's been around for maybe 50 years. Wine too. Some trainers have given their horses wine to settle them down."
Vodka on Monday and racing on Saturday would have given Tiznow enough time to clear his system of the alcohol. It probably wouldn't have made any difference. There may not be a post-race drug test around that checks for alcohol.

Robbins' father, Jack Robbins, is virtually retired as a veterinarian after a distinguished career. When he was active, Robbins treated John Henry, a two-time horse of the year, among other standouts.

At Tiznow's barn Thursday, the elder Robbins confirmed what his son said: A trainer would be breaking no new ground by giving his horse a few snorts of vodka.

"Gin can work too," Jack Robbins said.
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Hmmm. An accomplished trainer such as Jay Robbins took 2+ years to figure out that he could calm Tiznow down just by "letting him take his time getting from the barn to the track?" Hard to believe, isn't it?

Could it be that Robbins DID give Tiznow some alcohol on Monday, hence the "miraculous turnabout" in the colt's behavior? Now we are getting into the realm of speculation and "racetrack gossip". Better not go there.

At any rate, apparently a "real" trainer and a "real" vet agree with me, so if I am ignorant on the subject, at least I'm in good company.

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Postby griff » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:53 pm

I have witnessed and experienced some drastic changes in behavior after consumption of alcohol but I never heard any of those eposodes referred to as "miraculous?

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Postby bdw0617 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:00 pm

does alcohol stay in a horses system the same as a human? i know a human clears out like 1 oz per hour or something like that.. basically 24 hours assuming you are just plastered
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Postby Crystal » Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:27 pm

well recovery from a race could be considered a hangover.. tired, thirsty, not wanting to come out of your stall..

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Postby horsenuts » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:43 pm

Brogan wrote:I think the use of vodka as a calming agent is the backside version of an urban legend. Everyone knows someone who knows someone, but few have ever done it, witnessed it done, or know someone first hand that actually did it.

I have heard the stories too. Do I know if they are true? No. If they are true, do I know if vodka actually works as intended? No. Do I believe people do this from time to time? Yes.


Vodka has been used for at least 15 years(probably longer) while decades ago alcohol was commonly used on race horses. Vodka is used to calm a horse down according to those who have used it in recent time and it is fairly effective according to these same people(whom have been at this 'game' for over a 100 years combined and from my experience they generally know what they are talking about).

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Postby Brogan » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:17 pm

Funny coincidence, but ran across this image in another horse forum:
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Postby Laurierace » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:23 am

My vet only used absolut. He said it was called absolut because it had absolutely no impurities which makes it the best to administer IV.

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Postby njc2000 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:28 pm

Lots of good information here from a blog on the Paulick report last year.

LAST CALL FOR ALCOHOL … REGULATORS HOPE
By Ray Paulick
Some Thoroughbred trainers and veterinarians are giving new meaning to the term “happy hour.” This isn’t the typical late-afternoon or early evening sessions when drinks are discounted at local watering holes but the time, usually two or three hours before a horse race, when an injection (normally 60 cc’s) or oral dose of alcohol—often vodka—may be administered to a Thoroughbred to calm him down.

This alleged practice, which is prohibited as a Class 2 violation in the classifications of the Association of Racing Commissioners International, made headlines a couple of years ago when a racetrack veterinarian in Nebraska was charged in a criminal case with injecting alcohol in horses with the purpose of affecting the outcome of a race. Those charges were eventually dropped when witnesses couldn’t be located for the trial.

Things got quiet on the alcohol in horses front until last fall, when three trainers at Turf Paradise had horses test positive for ethyl glucuronide, a metabolite of ethanol. Ethanol is the alcohol in beer, wine and hard liquor.

One of the horsemen was Keith Bennett, a former leading trainer at the Phoenix, Ariz., track, who is currently second in the standings with 64 wins from 198 starts, a healthy win percentage of 32%. A second is Justin Evans, who is third in the current standings with 37 wins from 113 starts, a 33% win percentage. The third is E. Mark Welch, with nine wins in 82, an 11% win percentage.

Evans had three horses test positive for ethyl glucuronide positives in a 12-day period between Oct. 31-Nov. 11, 2008. The chief veterinarian for the Arizona Department of Racing ordered tests for the substance in late October 2008. A search of Evans’ barn uncovered six or seven 7.5-liter bottles of vodka in a file cabinet. Evans said in a hearing that he used the vodka as an “old trainer’s remedy,” soaking a pad in the alcohol and using under leg wraps on all of his horses.

The testing was conducted by Industrial Laboratories. Tests for ethyl glucuronide had only been developed a few years earlier by the University of Pennsylvania and had not been widely available until recently, an employee of Industrial Laboratories told the Arizona Department of Racing.

As a result of the multiple positives, stewards ruled that Evans should be suspended a total of 18 months. He was also fined $3,150 and the owners were stripped of purse winnings. Evans appealed, and an administrative law judge reduced the suspension to 120 days. Click here to read the adminstrative judge’s ruling.

According to sources, Turf Paradise officials exercised their right to exclude trainer Evans from the premises, though he was told he could apply for stall space in the future. He is currently stabled at Lone Star Park in Texas, where he won with one of his first four starters of the recently opened meeting, with two third-place finishes.

Another trainer, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told the Paulick Report alcohol is also being used in connection with so-called milkshakes, which contain baking soda and electrolytes and are designed to reduce the lactic acid buildup that causes fatigue. The concoction is mixed together as a paste, the trainer said, and can be administered through a dose syringe, though it is more effective when given through a tube into the horse’s stomach.

“You’re getting them carbohydrates at the top of the lane where some horses are running out of gas,” the trainer said. “I tried it, and believe me, it works. But I quit doing it because I couldn’t afford to get caught.”

Scot Waterman, executive director of the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium, said he is skeptical about the effectiveness of alcohol in milkshakes. It’s his understanding the substance is given to calm horses, not to increase carbohydrates. But he said the use of alcohol in horses has “always been in the rumor mill,” and is something the RMTC takes very seriously. The organization funded a study several years ago to develop the most effective detection methods for ethanol using blood and urine tests and even experimenting with a breathalyzer. “It’s easier to detect when given orally (than intravenously),” Waterman said. “The absorption is slower.”

Turf Paradise steward Ismael Trejo said backstretch security has been employed as an adjunct to testing in hopes of acting as a deterrent to trainer who might otherwise consider giving alcohol or other banned substances to their horses. “We put state investigators on trainers’ barns and have had investigators shadow private veterinary practitioners,” he said. “Maybe we won’t catch them, but we hope we can stop them. The fear of getting caught can be the best deterrent.”

“We do catch cheaters,” said Eugene Joyce, general manager of Turf Paradise. “It might be painful to read the headlines, but we do catch them. We want trainers and $2 bettors to have confidence in the game and to make people believe it’s being contested on a level playing field.”

There are concerns in Arizona and other racing jurisdictions that budget cuts by state government will lead to fewer post-race tests and reduced personnel for backstretch security and investigations. And security is a key to deterrence, said Dr. Rick Arthur, equine medical director for the California Horse Racing Board.

“Our security has been specifically alerted to watch for this type of thing (administration of alcohol),” he said. “Investigators know to watch for it, and this is one of the reasons we are adamant about our ‘water only’ rules on raceday. If it’s not water, the investigators can tell the difference.”

Arthur said some “old-time trainers” will say they used to dose horses with alcohol “somewhere in the neighborhood of four ounces. It is something we are concerned with, something we watch for.”

The CHRB regularly confiscates and tests syringes used by veterinarians to ensure raceday injections are Lasix only, Arthur said. “When we confiscate one syringe, everyone on the racetrack knows about it an hour later," the former racetrack practitioner and surgeon said. "If somebody wants to bend the rules, I don’t want them to be comfortable doing it. That’s why we do barn inspections, vet vehicle inspections, to make people say, ‘Hey, this isn’t worth it.’

“We have no problem prosecuting people we catch, but the goal of our program is to stop people from anything illegally.”

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Postby Des » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:43 pm

Vodka for high strung horses has been a long time on the backstretch, however some has taken it to the extreme where word got out and they are now testing for the stuff... Yep. but its ...been and old fix...I have seen it work...It does calm them

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Postby cewright » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:24 pm

Des wrote:..I have seen it work...It does calm them


Works for the owners too! :D

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Postby Tucumcari » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:28 am

LOL works VERY well for owners!!!
The AZ stuff as mentioned was NOT Vodka. I believe the mix is called everclear(?)...and the CHRB can test all the syringes and create a breathalizer for horses.. won't matter. Dick Arthur has already proven how he scews things to work in his favor and is as corrupt as anyone.
Really, the vodka "thing" is moot and as someone did say, very old school.
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