Penny Chenery on the Triple Crown and Racing Integrity

[Patuxet]

"I don't know Mr. Reddam personally but I think he should be embarrassed that the trainer he has chosen does not have a clean record."

"I think owners should be held responsible for their choice of trainers," Chenery says. "If they tend to send their horses to 'dirty' trainers this should be be a suspension of their right to ownership."

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainmen ... ty/257714/

[Crystal]

LOVE this woman!

[griff]

If there is enough evidence to suspend a owner for using said trainer, there should be enough evidence to suspend the trainer..

If no suspension for the trainer, then no suspension for the owner.

griff

[BenB]

Racing would loose quite a lot of owners.

It would be reasonable though as the owner is paying the bill, for the administration of med,s etc

[Toccet02]

.....

Not only that, but I don't get what you mean.
What was wrong with her statement besides being (arguably) a little severe?

[casallc]

Not only that, but I don't get what you mean.
What was wrong with her statement besides being (arguably) a little severe?

Other than being plain stupid, it was hypocritical. Lucien Laurin was banned for life as a jockey after being caught with a buzzer at the track.

[TJ]

Not only that, but I don't get what you mean.
What was wrong with her statement besides being (arguably) a little severe?

Other than being plain stupid, it was hypocritical. Lucien Laurin was banned for life as a jockey after being caught with a buzzer at the track.

Hi casallc,
You're not completely right about Lucien Laurin. I'm sure you were aware that back in the day lots of riders carried a joint into the paddock like it was their whip. Lucien was caught with a joint and given a 3 year suspension, not life. He claimed he was framed, that someone put it in his pocket.....well what would you say? It turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to him as he was granted a trainer's license 1 year after serving his suspension. TJ

[Sysonby]

The New York Times got it wrong then

Laurin broke into racing as a jockey, winning 161 races in Canada, including the 1935 King's Plate aboard Sir Michael. He achieved moderate success as a jockey in New England, but then his career almost came to an end. He was banned for life in 1938 when stewards at Narragansett Park in Rhode Island found a buzzer -- a device that can spur a horse with an electric shock -- in Laurin's jacket before the start of a racing card.

Racing authorities rejected Laurin's contention that someone had slipped the device into his jacket while he was playing cards in the jockeys' room.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/27/sport ... gewanted=2

[TJ]

The New York Times got it wrong then

Laurin broke into racing as a jockey, winning 161 races in Canada, including the 1935 King's Plate aboard Sir Michael. He achieved moderate success as a jockey in New England, but then his career almost came to an end. He was banned for life in 1938 when stewards at Narragansett Park in Rhode Island found a buzzer -- a device that can spur a horse with an electric shock -- in Laurin's jacket before the start of a racing card.

Racing authorities rejected Laurin's contention that someone had slipped the device into his jacket while he was playing cards in the jockeys' room.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/27/sport ... gewanted=2

Hi Sy,
It was a three year suspension and yes, NY Times has it wrong. After they tell you Laurin was banned for life (the part you cut and pasted) in the very same article they say,
"....Laurin got a job exercising horses at Alfred Vanderbilt's Sagamore Farm, rode briefly after the suspension was lifted in 1941, then turned to training the following year in New England, ...."
That's the part I cut and pasted...NY Times can be biased when looking for sensationalism. The time period is correct as he was granted his trainer's license in 1942. TJ

[Sysonby]

The New York Times got it wrong then

Laurin broke into racing as a jockey, winning 161 races in Canada, including the 1935 King's Plate aboard Sir Michael. He achieved moderate success as a jockey in New England, but then his career almost came to an end. He was banned for life in 1938 when stewards at Narragansett Park in Rhode Island found a buzzer -- a device that can spur a horse with an electric shock -- in Laurin's jacket before the start of a racing card.

Racing authorities rejected Laurin's contention that someone had slipped the device into his jacket while he was playing cards in the jockeys' room.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/27/sport ... gewanted=2

Hi Sy,
It was a three year suspension and yes, NY Times has it wrong. After they tell you Laurin was banned for life (the part you cut and pasted) in the very same article they say,
"....Laurin got a job exercising horses at Alfred Vanderbilt's Sagamore Farm, rode briefly after the suspension was lifted in 1941, then turned to training the following year in New England, ...."
That's the part I cut and pasted...NY Times can be biased when looking for sensationalism. The time period is correct as he was granted his trainer's license in 1942. TJ

Except P Val was ruled off until he appealed it and won. That didn't change the fact that he had been ruled off.

[Sysonby]

Getting back to the topic,

http://us.fashionmag.com/news-41840-Big ... riat-owner

Seriously Penny...Dutrow?

[TJ]

The New York Times got it wrong then

Laurin broke into racing as a jockey, winning 161 races in Canada, including the 1935 King's Plate aboard Sir Michael. He achieved moderate success as a jockey in New England, but then his career almost came to an end. He was banned for life in 1938 when stewards at Narragansett Park in Rhode Island found a buzzer -- a device that can spur a horse with an electric shock -- in Laurin's jacket before the start of a racing card.

Racing authorities rejected Laurin's contention that someone had slipped the device into his jacket while he was playing cards in the jockeys' room.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/27/sport ... gewanted=2

Hi Sy,
It was a three year suspension and yes, NY Times has it wrong. After they tell you Laurin was banned for life (the part you cut and pasted) in the very same article they say,
"....Laurin got a job exercising horses at Alfred Vanderbilt's Sagamore Farm, rode briefly after the suspension was lifted in 1941, then turned to training the following year in New England, ...."
That's the part I cut and pasted...NY Times can be biased when looking for sensationalism. The time period is correct as he was granted his trainer's license in 1942. TJ

Except P Val was ruled off until he appealed it and won. That didn't change the fact that he had been ruled off.

Hi Sy,
P Val is a chronic offender....I believe his suspensions were ruled indefinite suspensions, not life time. Lifetime is just that, they very seldom return from a lifetime ban without new evidence being found. lucien stayed pretty clean as a trainer. But I agree, back to Ms. Chenery and one of my favorites, Big Brown :>) TJ

[Patuxet]

O'Neill Responds to Chenery Criticism

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/horse_ra ... e%20Racing

[Matchemforever]

I'm not in O'Neil's camp or Chenery's, but I do have a question regarding Secretariat and what owners knew back in his day.

Were steroids around when Secretariat was running and if so, what are the chances he got them? Maybe not on a par with other drugs, but still...

Next, would Chenery necessarily have been on the real inside track as to what Secretariat was getting, if a trainer did not want her to know?

I don't believe that the past was as clean as people would like to think, compared to today. At least there is some testing today.

[Crystal]

I don't believe (even if Sec. was on steroids) back then they are anywhere near as medically advanced as they are today. smaller doses, stronger results, synthetic style medication..