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mares and stallions that never raced

Postby 3nutmeg » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:38 pm

I've heard a lot of people say that you should only breed horses that have performed well on the track. Can you name mares and stallions that have never raced and have produced outstanding offspring? Any that did poorly? Out ran their pedigree?
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Postby Jeff » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:30 pm

Somethingroyal, dam of Secretariat, total failure on the track.
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Postby erins isle » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:36 pm

Fairy King brother to Sadler's Wells, one start. He wasn't too bad as a stallion.

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/stalli ... 75&popup=1

I've seen him at Coolmore, attractive horse.
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Postby KBEquine » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:10 am

La Troienne wasn't exactly a racing success.
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Postby Jean » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:31 am

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Postby TJ » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:48 am

Mahubah, dam of Man O' War. She won a single race and earned $390 in 5 lifetime starts. TJ
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Postby TJ » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:58 am

Entreaty, dam of Phar Lap. Broke down in her only start. TJ
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Postby Cryptic Ninja » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:24 am

Black Caviar's dam "Helsinge" was unraced.
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Postby TJ » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:39 am

Here's some more recently, who have lightly raced or unraced dams. TJ
Mining My Own, dam of Mine That Bird. Unraced.
Mein, dam of Big Brown one win in two lifetime starts.
Bali Babe, dam of Charismatic. Unplaced in two lifetime starts.
Eileens Moment, dam of Lil E Tee. Unplaced in 6 lifetime starts.
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Unraced mares

Postby Bettina » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:39 pm

Hello,
Suruma, the dam of the Top German Sire Surumu was unraced.

Regards from Germany,
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Postby da hossman » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:23 pm

The outstanding stallion Alibhai -sire of Kentucky Derby winner Determine, good sire Traffic Judge, good mares Royal Hostess, Floral Park, Flower Bowl, etc.

The outstanding mare Silvery Swan (dam of El Corredor, Roman Ruler, Maimonides & Silver Tornado)
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unraced mares/stallions

Postby mini's mom » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:52 am

that Imperial Dance that I just bought ran one race and earned $130 bucks at Monmouth -

she is bred in the purple - her grand dame is Ballade who produced Devil's Bag, Saint Ballado & others

Her sire was not much as a stud - her foals have sold for 25k, l5k & l0k for a welch pony cross -

Will she produce a stakes winner? who knows but I thought she was worth the gamble -

will let you know

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Postby Patuxet » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:29 am

More delusional Kool-Aid on the subject: http://www.royalpegasusfarm.com/stallions.html
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Postby Jeff » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:23 pm

Eternal Legend: Unraced

http://www.pedigreequery.com/eternal+legend

dam of 3 foals, 2 stakes winners so far:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/eternal+legend

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Postby Shergar » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:57 pm

Patuxet wrote:More delusional Kool-Aid on the subject: http://www.royalpegasusfarm.com/stallions.html



Interesting website, though a bit hard to read.

They start off with the statement of, "Reality vs. Myth: Racing Sucess-Not a necessary provision for a superb sire." Not sure of the terminology for that type of claim they make, but hard to argue against it as it is not absolutely necessary for a stallion prospect to have been a high class racehorse.

Then they cherry pick examples to back up their claim.

Nureyev: Only raced three times, but a group III winner and clearly the best horse in the 2000 guineas.

Mr. Prospector:A well bred & high priced yearling that did win half of his races. He was a listed winner and Graded stakes placed. With his race record and being a son of sire of sires Raise a Native, of course he was going to get a chance at stud.

Danzig: I will give them that one.

The list goes on with several other top sires that didn't win a graded/group race. To me they seem to imply these horses came out of nowhere to be top sires. Their arguements seem to be disingenuous to me.

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