Problem is overbreeding....and irresponsibility

[Sylvie Hebert]

Good bye

[JimbleBrimble]

I run only a few horses a year,they are trained off the racetrack and run by someone else and I do not own them either...

I think I finally get it !!!


She ran Secretariat, Sunday Silence, Point Given, Cigar, and Zenyatta too, just not under her name.


I think sometimes she runs every single horse in the same race - usually those with a purse of $1 Mil. or more.


Sadly those who actually keep the important records in horse racing don't define her running a horse by the same criteria she uses. (thus the stellar career record of a single 5th-place finish (and none better) from 31 starts)

Seems she only took leave of us again because she is due in the isles to gallop Frankel before trekking home the long way to check on Black Caviar.


Gotta go see if she remembered to delete all of her posts this time.

[Sylvie Hebert]

My dear Jimble hope you were smiling on the video...good luck you will need it.

[Sylvie Hebert]

[quote="JimbleBrimble"]When one's career as a horse trainer spans 1 1/2 decades and numbers [b]zero wins, zero seconds, and zero thirds[/b], there isn't much left to [i]context interpretation[/i].


That you are now giving unsolicited advice on breeding, racing, and training, along with erroneous reports on "race fixing", is a lot more of the problem with racing than any part of any solution.


If you want to help racing at all, why not offer a detailed list of reasons why you returned a horse to the races after an [b]eight-year layoff[/b] (so nobody will ever be dumb enough to do so again).[/quote]
How about your career,besides the troll of the year award??Come on let us admire your success?Crawl out...

[Sysonby]

In all seriousness, this is what using/being a "paper trainer" can get you.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... r-incident

[ides of ice]

So, can we talk about overbreeding and if there is a solution?

[Sysonby]

So, can we talk about overbreeding and if there is a solution?

I think you have to define the term.

Besides who gets to tell other people what to do with their property? You? Me?

And what's the basis? Because a horse might be unwanted in the future?

Good luck to that.

[ides of ice]

Ok...how do we define it? How bout we start w/how many horses are created each year and how many TB races are run each year.

[Sysonby]

Ok...how do we define it? How bout we start w/how many horses are created each year and how many TB races are run each year.

So who gets voted off the island? On what basis? And who has the right to have a say?

The problem with a lot of this "overbreeding" stuff is that it is pushed by people who have virtually no skin in the game. The free market tends to take care of this. Maybe imperfectly but we're now down to 24000 foals a year from high 30s only a few years ago. So the problem is solving itself just because breeders are bleeding red ink.

[madelyn]

......Maybe imperfectly but we're now down to 24000 foals a year from high 30s only a few years ago. So the problem is solving itself just because breeders are bleeding red ink.

And shrinking every breeding season. Just exactly so. Mares at the bottom end are becoming pasture pets, and more mares are considered "bottom mares" than ever before.

[Sylvie Hebert]

I don't think they are becoming pasture pets,they become meat,along with lot's of yearlings,2 yo and older and some of them have nice breeding and made lots of money.I live across the street from the border and I see these trucks crossing and I know where they go......

[griff]

& why is it they now go across the border?

griff

[erhrdt3]

Question: not trying to start a fight or anything, but WHY in the hell are breeders sending such young horses over the border? Yearlings and 2 year olds have not even had a chance to do anything and already they are getting shipped off? I do not understand this.

This is a major problem and until is is fixed, the industry is going to have a black eye, there's no two ways about it. One of our 3 year olds just got injured to the point where she won't see the track and we cannot imagine "throwing her away" because she got hurt.

I appreciate any and all of your answers and information, thank you!

[madelyn]

A lot is conjecture. You would have to get the intake log from the slaughter facility to actually get any kind of factual statistics on (1) how many horses they get that are TB's vs other breeds and (2) the age ranges of those horses. Really? Yearlings? Babies? Prove it.

TB's are not the breed of choice for slaughter because they are not heavy weight horses. I researched this topic many years ago when there still was slaughter in the US and the absolutely overwhelming majority of horses who were on the intake forms for the slaughter house that shared its records were Quarter Horses. Something like 75-80% for a given two month period. They also do not kill young horses because their meat is no good.

[griff]

I wonder why the meat of young horses is no good???

lamb, veal, cabrito and suckling pig seems to be eatable, why not young horses??

griff