Help! What color is she??

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:42 pm

A friend of mine just bought a mare. She's "bay" but has such odd markings and color patterns, she doesn't know what to *call* her.

Here's her description:

She has a wide blaze, and white on her lower lip. Front legs have stockings up onto her knees.
She has black mane, tail and points. BUT doesn't have black skin...it's ruddy pinkish colored with freckles! She also has some gray hairs in her mane and tail and a grayish stripe down her belly. 4-5 roan spots on her belly too and roan hairs throughout.

http://www.mapleshadefarm.net/zz7.JPG

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:02 pm

Dear Jenarby,

There is no question on my mind that she is a sabino mare. Just look at those atypical high white leg markings. Please share with us her pedigree but I can predict that close doses from Northern Dancer or Halo are present.

Best regards and Blessings,

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:07 pm

Jorge,

Thanks!

Her name is "Z Z Peacock"

She's by Z Z Cat (Storm Cat)

o/o Miss Peacock (Proud Birdie)

Her owner will be greatful to you for solving her mystery!

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:34 pm

Dear Jenarby,

Please note that Z Z PEACOCK's broodmare sire PROUD BIRDIE is a direct descendant from HALO's sire, plus the correspondent dose from NORTHERN DANCER. Bingo! She is an unquestionable sabino bay mare capable of producing a loudly spotted foal if crossed properly with another sabino carrying high leg markings, a huge blaze, or an atypical belly spot. If she is ever crossed with the fine bloodlines of a future white sire, like, let's say, The White Fox (2002), she will most probably throw a nice white foal.

Blessings to you and your friends.

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:38 pm

Very neat Jorge, thanks so much!

Did you ever see the mare I posted about a while back named Jaded Runner?

She's an easy bay sabino to spot.
Still racing, but one day should make a nice mommy. She's got the color, size and movement as well as a decent race record.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:53 pm

Dear Jenarby,

Thanks again. No I haven't seen that runner. Anything unusual with high leg markings, belly spots, and huge blazes are of myresearching interest.
Please feel free to send any picture(s) you wish.

Be Blessed,

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:01 pm

Here are some pics....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/jenarby/jade8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/j ... jade11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/jenarby/jade1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v17/jenarby/jade4.jpg

She also has a belly spot that is the size of a softball.

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:03 pm

Jorge,
Z.Z.'s owner emailed and asked me to thank you (I sent her your reply) and asked this:

"....but the answer is incomplete. There are several odd colors of
bay...I wannt to know WHICH bay she is. One is actually a gray and starts with a P but can't remember which it is."

Make any sense to you?

Thanks

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:04 pm

Dear Janarby,

AS per JADED RUNNER: its pedigree is loaded with sabino sources on both halves. Since this equine is sired by Marquetry (who has a white spot on one of his knees) I can imagine that her markings are quite conspicuous. Like they say in baseball: an easy infield fly!

Blessings,

katydid · Postby **katydid** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:07 pm

That roaning you described is probably due to the presence of the rabicano gene...I had a mare that was also sabino/rabicano chestnut with loud white and roaning on flanks and barrel =D The rabicano gene, I believe, is also responsible for the color pattern known as brindle which solid striping over a roan barrel, flank area.

chiggins6 · Postby **chiggins6** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:05 am

Gosh I'd like to see a picture of that roaning. <g>

C.

Nessa · Postby **Nessa** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:50 pm

chiggins6 wrote:Gosh I'd like to see a picture of that roaning. <g>

C.

Here you go Chiggins. A whole site full of brindle horses, donkeys, and mules too.

http://members.aol.com/brindlehos/

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:33 pm

Dear Jenarby,

Thanks for your postings and watch. I will gladly answer any specific questions to your friend. Please tell the person to contact my email, which is at my site devoted to white Thoroughbreds at:

http://www.geocities.com/thoroughbredpr

Blessings,

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:10 pm

Jenarby,

The bay type that you may be thinking of may be Pangare.

According to Sponnenberg:

"The mealy (pangare) modification is to cause pale red or yellowish areas on the lower belly, flanks, behind the elbows, inside the legs, on the muzzle, and over the eyes. The mealy effect can occur on any background color. This effect varies from very extensive, in which cases it causes a dramatic paleness tothe ventral ody color, to minimal, in which it is very subtle and easily missed as contributing to the overall color of the of a horse. In English it is usually referred to as "mealy", "mealy mouth", "mealy muzzle", or "toad eye". but it frequently escapes mention in horse descriptions.

Any of this sound like the color of the mare?

Jenarby · Postby **Jenarby** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:22 am

From my friend's description, sounds like it!
I sent her your reply, thank you!