Time for a little public shaming

[Sam]

If I have already publicly called you a nutcase, common sense would dictate you don't have anything to say privately that I would be interested in hearing.

What that means is, DON'T PM ME. If you do and I tell you not to PM me again, DON'T PM BACK. Responding to say you aren't reading my PMs asking you to stop is called TROLLING.

As per LONG established rules -- FROM MILES, NOT ROGUE -- I am required to ask you, then tell you to NOT PM me -- it helps to establish harassment if you continue to do so after being told not to.

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Well... feh. It WOULD have been a public shaming if I were actually allowed to name the two people doing it. shrug No worries... not like everyone can't figure out who they are.

[Winnie]

[Roguelet]

You mean the two people who are going along minding their own business posting useful information and having intellegent conversations then you come along to give personal attacks...so they pm you to give you a peace of their mind so it won't be edited by your protector? You mean these two people?

Bullies never win in the long run.
Oh I am sure this will be deleted like all post that set you straight...while yours remain... No other board would allow half the stuff you do

ENOUGH

I am SO sick of the crap that has been going on here lately. I am sick and tired of being accused personally and in posts like this one of "playing favorites." Each and every arguement on this board that turns the least bit nasty or hateful has AT LEAST two, often more, participants who make it so. ONE person, alone, CAN NOT create a nasty, hate-slinging thread.

When I am forced to clean up a thread, which unfortunately I have been forced to do a lot of lately, I remove ALL aspects that are not conducive to the original topic. ALL of them. From EACH and EVERY person involved in that thread. If you don't want your posts deleted when I have to do a clean-up, STAY OUT OF THE FIGHT. Pretty simple.

I am also SICK of people feeding me lines about other boards and what they do and do not allow. Honestly, if someone is SO offended by what is allowed on this board, and they find another board that makes them more comfortable, BY ALL MEANS GO to that board.

Here is my philosophy: People are human. People get emotional. People express themselves in different ways. This is an adult board and we don't have to sugar-coat everything that we post. HOWEVER, if a post is made for the sole intent and purpose of starting a war on this forum, that is not appropriate. If someone gets out of control and they are asked to take a step back and cool off, THEY NEED TO DO SO. If they refuse, we have a problem.

I was recently accused of not handling the thread on slaughter well enough. Did it get a bit nasty? Yes, it did. I had to go clean up the thread. Was there "name calling?" Yes, there was. Was it all done by one person? NO WAY! I cleaned up every part of every post that contributed in any way to the degeneration of that thread. If something you posted is gone, it was either inappropriate, or it was a response to something inappropriate that no longer made sense after the original deletion.

There are currently at least two other active threads that are very similar in nature to the one I just had to clean up. People are arguing, name-calling, chastising, getting on their high-horses and refusing to budge on their opinions. I have not closed these threads or edited them, and I have no intention of doing so as long as people can handle eachother and themselves in a relatively acceptable way. I don't care who gets along with who, or who bugs the crap out of who, or who thinks who is a moron. Really, I don't. Just be adult about it. Have a good arguement, it's what this board is all about. But leave the petty pot-shots out of it. Leave the little digs on someone's personal lives out of it. Leave politics and religion out of it, too. And, if you do get carried away and you are asked to back off... then BACK OFF. Do NOT go on a rampage of whining and complaining and challenging and PMing.

This is probably the most annoyed post I have ever hit the send button on in the entire time that this message forum has been active, and even prior to this format when we were un-moderated. I have been doing this for years, and save one incident which caused the moderated format to begin with, I have NEVER seen people being as petty and obnoxious to eachother as I have seen over the past month or so. I am fed up with it. I have always tried to be a very light handed moderator; this board is not about squelching anyone's ideas, thoughts, or contributions. But I'm seriously at the end of my rope right now. If I have to be more heavy-handed for a while so people will actually take warnings seriously, so be it. I don't want to do it, but I most certainly CAN do it.

Now, back to the original topic, and this applies to everyone. PMs are a privilege, not a right. They can be taken away, and the possibility has been discussed before when the priviledge has been abused. If someone asks not to be PMed by you, DON'T PM THEM. It's a matter of common courtesy and good manners. If there is someone that you don't get along with to the point that you can't discuss issues publicly, you really have no business PMing them anyway, unless you're just trying to provoke them and cause trouble.

Now, PLEASE can we all just get back to posting, in our own styles and with our own opinions, without trying to slit eachother's throats in the process?

End of extremely annoyed rant.

Edited to add: I did NOT delete Winnie's post. Apparently she did it on her own after making the accusation that I would do so. I want the record straight on that.

[Sam]

Honestly, if someone is SO offended by what is allowed on this board, and they find another board that makes them more comfortable, BY ALL MEANS GO to that board.

I'm sure they would be quite welcome over there californiaracehorse board

[CA Michael]

I think you are right, Sam. And two more over there would double the number of posters.

[Winnie]

I think the OP speaks for itself

I don't recall ANY of my post being deleted by Roguelet lately...although the above 2 poster were, yet I am the one being singled out

The only one being offended would be the Original Poster...I'm not

[wallinga]

if you just eased up winster, you might make more friends

[Sam]

I think the OP speaks for itself

I don't recall ANY of my post being deleted by Roguelet lately...although the above 2 poster were, yet I am the one being singled out

The only one being offended would be the Original Poster...I'm not

You're 'being singled out' because you responded, winnie -- thereby admitting you were one of the two people I was talking about. Thanks for that, by the way

I'm not offended -- far from it. I like it when you make a fool of yourself in public. I especially love it when you delete your own posts -- too bad someone quotes you before you do Seriously, do you think you are making yourself look good by admitting to harassing someone through the PM feature after they've REPEATEDLY told you to stop?

What I don't like is getting 12 PMs from you in less than 2 hours after you've been told to stop. I also don't like having to make a public post telling you to stop because you can't seem to get the message privately.

Prove me wrong... I've bet a couple people you (and the other person) can't resist responding to this thread. There's no time limit or restrictions on the bet. If you ever PM me again, I win. If you reference it in another thread, I win. If you in any way, at any time respond to this publicly and I see it (that includes the board I linked to above) -- I WIN.

I stand to make a chunk of money off you two. Do you really want that?

[Heidilady]

Uh oh. Somebody's been naughty. Oh well, perhaps all those who deserve to be poked with a stick on this have been duly jabbed in the love handles with one. Hope your peace has been restored Sam. I'm sure Roguelet's had fun with this board what with all the hollering.

I suggest if we all try to behave we'll be able to clearly see that some folks who feel there's flaming going on might have helped start it and need to own up. They make others defend themselves when they weren't the ones who caused the trouble and threw nasty names around. Sometimes, as the saying goes "them what smelt it, dealt it."

Seems like more flames get started by someone accusing someone else of flaming when they were really just being a horse's butt on a forum about horses (so it's kinda on topic really ).

[clh]

Guys - I belong to several other forums and honestly this is the only one that folks can honestly share their opinions without getting edited and/or banned. Rogue has a tough job. Everyone has an opinion and so far has been able to post it with little problems. However, when you infringe on somewhere else by PM'ing them when they've asked you not to, you've crossed the line. Let's not make Rogue be our fulltime babysitter and start banning folks. I enjoy coming here and actually spend more time here than anywhere else because of the knowledge base - nothing is wrong with disagreeing but we are adults (most of us here are at least I believe - based on topics posted and questions/answers. If you want to post nasty, hateful things - I am sure there are forums for that, although I haven't looked for one myself. I actually admire most people's point of view here although I don't agree with alot of them. I do think it is great when someone makes a statement and Sam asks for back-up and they cannot provide it however

Carry on ..... peacefully please.

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[efactor]

If any of you is over 12 years old, this is the funniest thread I have ever read.

[Toccet02]

I think that it's far more satisfying to make and prove a point by calm, rational persistence and logical argument.
If someone's argument or viewpoint doesn't hold water in a given debate, that will show itself in time. They will look like an idiot without any help from anybody else!
Name calling and nastiness, while also satisfying, draws into question the confidence the name caller has in their own point.
At least it does for me.

[larrygene]

I would like to interject that I'm a Bush Republican and my wife is a "yellowdog" Democrat. We live in harmony and peace because we decided that if we have a political opinion it is dicussed in general terms and not personal attacks on figures within each party. We both give our opinions, and strangely enough, even though we are political opposites, we find we share many common ideas and beliefs.

This is a wonderful forum that I love because here we have people from all over the world sharing their ideas, knowledge, and opinions. I have laughed with you all and I have cried with you, but, I hope and pray that we never lose sight of the reason we have all come together here and that is, we all love the beauty, grace, strength, and atheleticism of the wonderful Thoroughbred.

Civility is the cornerstone of a free and open society. Let us all never forget the priviledges and freedoms we have as a free people.

Respectfully,
Larrygene

[Winnie]

OH give me a break! Sam and Michael stalk me at every post then call me names. I pmed Sam to tell her to quite harrassing me, like someone else I know has done to her and she can't take being confronted without back up, so she pm's back swearing calling us names you can't even write on here. She is asked to stop pming me, she keeps it up then acts like she is the one being harrased.

Grow up Sam and quite harrassing people....you're the troll always looking for a fight. Nice little spin you tried to pull...only thing is everyone knows the truth. Everything Rogue wrote was directed at you.

[CA Michael]

LOL