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Who knows anything about Warmbloods?

Postby Vindicated » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:12 am

Totally off subject.....

But you are all a group of very intelligent horse people....
So I was hoping to pick your brains....

I generally prefer the Thoroughbreds-and was planning on breeding my favorite mare to a race stallion (again)

But........

WB babies seem to sell pretty well-

I have a homebred warmblood that I ride and show-and while unless I get another like him, I would be breeding to sell, as I prefer to ride the Thoroughbreds..

The question is this, I don't know much at all about registering WB's I never cared as the ones I have breed have been for personal use.

So any info would be great..

Mare is Thoroughbred, 8 (or 9 :oops: )
Big (tall and tons of bone)
Great personality, and temperment-8 mover-
Not looking to get 15K just maybe 6-8 for babies-just a bit of profit...
Ideas?
Thanks

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Postby Elles » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:05 am

Maybe you could ask at the Chronicle forums.
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/

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Postby Elles » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:37 am

But opinions on some subjects might differ :? :
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Postby habitat » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:42 am

you might also consider one of the Cremello TB sires out there.

poster TruColours might be able to give you some advice.

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Postby LKMote » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:23 pm

I breed warmbloods. I have mine registered through the American Warmblood Society. Warmblood babies can be registered Oldenberg, American Warmblood, Hannoverian, etc. In order to determine where one should be registered you should see where the Stallion is registered and approved. The owner of the Stallion you breed to can direct you to the correct breed registry. Also you may want to take your mare to a breed inspection to get her approved for breeding to the registry that the foal will be registered with. I will try to find some links to different registrys that you can look at.

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Postby LKMote » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:28 pm

here are a few links to registrys

American Warmblood Society www.americanwarmblood.org
American Warmblood Registry www.americanwarmblood.com
Oldenburg Registry www.isroldenburg.org

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Postby sprucie » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:42 pm

I wouldn't go into it thinking that there would be a profit to be made. AI adds up very quickly, as does any type of breeding, and the market is soft right now. I have a coming 2yo that is VERY nice, by a well known and respected stallion, but I can't get him sold for giveaway prices. His dam has great sport bloodlines, and he is registered with the Rhineland Pfalz-Saar International, a German WB registry, with high scores. Right now it is cheaper to just buy a nice youngster than it is to breed one.

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Postby fliteKAT » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:04 pm

I personal love warmbloods. I infact have ridden several TB/WB crosses and find that they are the best of both worlds (for jumping). Right now i have a TB mare in foal to WB Stallion.
To register the foal you have to get the mare approved and the foal. (this can be done at the same time for like $50 extra when the foal hits the ground) That is at least how it works with the Holsteiners. Below is the link to them, and i have called the phone number. The lady that answered was VERY helpful.

http://holsteiner.com/

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Postby skeenan » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:15 pm

I've been looking at Dutch Warmblood stallions for the same reasons—because I also like WBs. My fav TB stallion choice (great pedigree match, very close, gorgeous & affordable) mysteriously died. So... still looking & thinking...

With WBs there are many stallions to choose from via AI (US & Europe), and the stud fees are much less for top WB stallions. I wish AI TB registry was a possibility as I *love* French Buffet, a Dutch TB stallion... and his foals can JUMP! :shock:

It can get confusing when you start reading mare requirements for each registry. I think it's more important to define what your breeding goals are—do you want a dressage horse? jumper? hunter?—then examine individual stallions. Registry rules are more of a technicality IMO, as similar bloodlines oftentimes traverse different registries. I'm more interested in jumpers, so I focused more on Dutch WBs and Holsteiners.

The other confusing part is understanding a stallion's registry and which registries that stallion is approved by. A stallion may be registered Dutch KWPN, but not approved for breeding by them. Best to cross-reference a stallion with the official registry list—some stallion owners throw a bunch of WB logos on their stallion page, so sometimes it's hard to tell...

And some WB stallions cross well with TBs, some don't. And depending on your mare, things like bone, "type" and height are considerations for match-ups, along with conformational matches & the usual stuff. WBs are moving away from huge height & huge bone—seems some refinement is more modern. Within the Dutch WBs alone, they now have definitions for the ideal dressage type, jumper type and now hunters. It's definitely worth asking around and/or seeing offspring before deciding.

Here's a great website to start with: http://wwwarmbloods.com/index.html
They have a forum for all different breeds, list all breed registries and many top breeders. Everyone was very helpful in answering my questions. It's how I found http://www.majesticgaits.com, a Dutch WB farm in my state. I ordered a stallion video—boy, it really changed my mind on who I liked when I saw the stallions in motion.

Good luck! Hope this helps! :D

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Postby ak1 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:22 pm

I have seen Art Deco (Dutch warmblood approved with various registries and very proven stallion and sire of sires) foals from Thoroughbred mares. My college used to have a foal sharing arrangement to raise funds for the riding program. He crossed very well with Thoroughbred mares...lovely foals, many with his splashy color. When I was foal watching one summer we did get two solid chestnut foals, who were equally stunning.

From what I have read, his get are equally good at dressage, and jumping.

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Postby teb » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:27 am

I breed dutch warmbloods from my TB mare. My mare is bred for chasing and has almost identical bloodlines to the 2006 Grand National winner, Numbersixvalverde.

I have 2 from her so far and they are stunning. Great bone, good personalities, and very quality. Mare is being bred to Iroko this year. I love warmbloods, but love to have blood in anything I ride. My warmbloods are registered with the KWPN Reg A. The offspring of my mare are eligeble for grading into the main book after going through a series of testing. If they are of good enough quaility, that is. No more TB mares are eligible for entry into the main mare book, but Reg A is just fine with me. I'd rather register with the dutch than the Irish Horse Board. Also you are eligible to register with the Zangersheide stud as well. Just send your mare papers to the Zangersheide, or copies. They will send you back conformation that your mare is now in the book. You can register any foal into the Zangersheide book as long as your mare is registred. A lot of people don't know this, but it's true. Well any stallion that has recorded breeding and is already registred with know registry.


Hope this helps.

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Postby geowarrior » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:39 am

Teb, I've seen the replay of Numbersixvalverde's Grand National win, and I thought he was a beautiful horse. Do your horses resemble him in looks?

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Postby sprucie » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:51 am

I'd be VERY careful with the type of mare being bred to Art Deco. His owner is wonderful to deal with, so no problems there, but his offspring are VERY willful, and not easy to break, handle, etc. They are talented, and the filly we had by him and sold, just jumped the mounting block the other day after dumping their trainer twice. I don't know if they have been able to get someone on and have them stay on her yet, but she is obviously a talented jumper :? :roll:

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Postby teb » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:25 am

I am posting these pics now because they are in my photobucket. I will get more current ones and try to have them up tomorrow.

The one of the horse cantering in the field is the gelding by Padinus

One is of my mare before she gave birth

The other is of last year's filly by Tadmus, she is with her mom

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/teb ... t05014.jpg

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/teb ... ch3001.jpg



http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/teb ... l10006.jpg



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Postby geowarrior » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:28 pm

Beautiful.