Jobs in the industry

[Agent Zero]

What type of careers are there in the horse racing industry. I am not speaking of a career as a groom, or trainer. But maybe something less involved with the everyday care of a horse.

Such as bloodstock agent, or possibly a racing manager. Are racing managers still existent even? If someone wanted to get into bloodstock, and when I say "get into" I mean start as if their mind had zero knowledge on the subject, where could they start? Any ideas?

[kanekomert]

horse trainers and horse business managers are lucky for career. but grooms arent lucky. they are doing horse care only. they cant improve themselves.

for example: i was groom in antalya. i didnt improve myself. because my job days were daily 13 hour with horses. i didnt have any social life. it was only job.
but horse trainers and horse business managers can do some jobs in horse racing industry. you can work in farms. if you want to do jockey management you can find easy job in Turkey. because every jockey has manager in turkey.
if you are horse trainer you can win big races, big prizes. you can do more better sign with horse owner. generally horse trainers earn %10. if race prize
100.000$, jockey earn:10.000$, trainer earn:10.000$, groom earn: 5.000$ in turkey.

[Jean]

A groom is where all trainers should start. Work for several trainers. Follow there works with successful horses. Keep track of their efforts to get the best results. Keep you nose out of client relationships but witness the interaction. Learn the business and then proceed out on your own. One of the few careers in the horse industry where through hard work and perseverance you can start at the bottom and with keen observational skills and hard work you can work your way up. People don't just decide to be a trainer and then get a licence and open up shop. It is a job that anyone with a good work ethic and a love of horses can succeed in.

[casallc]

What type of careers are there in the horse racing industry. I am not speaking of a career as a groom, or trainer. But maybe something less involved with the everyday care of a horse.

Such as bloodstock agent, or possibly a racing manager. Are racing managers still existent even? If someone wanted to get into bloodstock, and when I say "get into" I mean start as if their mind had zero knowledge on the subject, where could they start? Any ideas?

There is no better place to start than at the bottom. The trouble with too many bloodstock agents or racing managers is they know too little about horses and too much about BS. If you are not willing to pay your dues at the lower rungs you don’t deserve to skip to the top. I knew a agent that went from $150 a week cleaning stalls to flying around in his own Lear Jet in less than a year. Of course he was arrested for extortion in a case of a breeding share to a top stallion later on.
If you don't want to pay your dues, I would suggest a job in government or teaching.

[madelyn]

There is no better place to start than at the bottom. The trouble with too many bloodstock agents or racing managers is they know too little about horses and too much about BS. If you are not willing to pay your dues at the lower rungs you don’t deserve to skip to the top. I knew a agent that went from $150 a week cleaning stalls to flying around in his own Lear Jet in less than a year. Of course he was arrested for extortion in a case of a breeding share to a top stallion later on.
If you don't want to pay your dues, I would suggest a job in government or teaching.

All SO TRUE!!

I know a young girl that I used to help a bit, take to horse shows, etc. I was trying to help her to get motivated to get her education finished and choose a career. One bright morning, after probably watching a CSI show the night before, she announced she thought she might really like being a crime investigator, you know like the ones that go inside the yellow tape and collect the hairs and stuff. I said, oh! so you would like to be a police officer? She made a face and vehemently denied that she would ever want to be a cop, and she didn't understand the connection at all.

Everyone always wants to start at the top. The problem with that is that you don't get a chance to fully understand the view from there.

[WarHorse]

If you don't want to pay your dues, I would suggest a job in...teaching.

Wow, my sister would love to know she's been compared to an extortionist.

How much about teaching do you know? How many students have you had? How much education in teaching have you had? I want to know what makes you an expert.

[habitat]

working your way up from the bottom sounds nice, but in theory you want to start out as high as your education, experience, family influence will allow. If you're not too bright then start at the bottom, but if you are motivated and have ambition you can learn much more in a shorter period of time with a higher entry point.

[casallc]

If you don't want to pay your dues, I would suggest a job in...teaching.

Wow, my sister would love to know she's been compared to an extortionist.

How much about teaching do you know? How many students have you had? How much education in teaching have you had? I want to know what makes you an expert.

I have enough education not to make the leap that you have, saying that I compared your sister to an extortionist. I don't know your sister nor did I say any thing close to comparing teachers to extortionists.
I do subscribe to the saying that: those who can do, and those who can't teach (those who can't teach - teach education).
Some factual information that would back my assertion:
Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964).
It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434).

I have 50+ years in business, most in the horse business.

[geowarrior]

I had the same thought as War Horse. I teach at a University and casallc clearly doesn't understand what he/she is talking about. I have a B.A., two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. and I spent many summers in the pouring rain in rural Newfoundland doing field work to get those degrees - I suppose that wouldn't count as 'paying dues'. I have been teaching for almost 20 years and it is exhausting. It requires stamina to stand up for hours on end, creativity to find ways of getting the message across, and continual research to keep up with trends. Not to mention a thick skin when we have to deal with opinionated snobs like casallc.

I also teach Middle School and High School teachers in the summer and I would consider their jobs substantially more difficult than mine, with budgetary pressures, the constraints imposed by standardised testing and the extreme social problems they have to deal with.

[casallc]

I had the same thought as War Horse. I teach at a University and casallc clearly doesn't understand what he/she is talking about. I have a B.A., two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. and I spent many summers in the pouring rain in rural Newfoundland doing field work to get those degrees - I suppose that wouldn't count as 'paying dues'. I have been teaching for almost 20 years and it is exhausting. It requires stamina to stand up for hours on end, creativity to find ways of getting the message across, and continual research to keep up with trends. Not to mention a thick skin when we have to deal with opinionated snobs like casallc.

I also teach Middle School and High School teachers in the summer and I would consider their jobs substantially more difficult than mine, with budgetary pressures, the constraints imposed by standardised testing and the extreme social problems they have to deal with.

Do you dispute the evidence that I have given as support? There can be exceptions but I hold that, generally speaking, I am correct and your ox has been gored.

[geowarrior]

You can hold whatever you like, but I suggest that since you know horses you hang onto some part of the equine anatomy. You clearly don't know education. The quality of education students as currently determined by standardized testing says nothing about the quality of those who are currently involved in education. Those who can't, teach? Those who can't teach, teach teachers? I am a published scholar and most certainly can do many things both within my specialty and without it.

[Linda_d]

I had the same thought as War Horse. I teach at a University and casallc clearly doesn't understand what he/she is talking about. I have a B.A., two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. and I spent many summers in the pouring rain in rural Newfoundland doing field work to get those degrees - I suppose that wouldn't count as 'paying dues'. I have been teaching for almost 20 years and it is exhausting. It requires stamina to stand up for hours on end, creativity to find ways of getting the message across, and continual research to keep up with trends. Not to mention a thick skin when we have to deal with opinionated snobs like casallc.

I also teach Middle School and High School teachers in the summer and I would consider their jobs substantially more difficult than mine, with budgetary pressures, the constraints imposed by standardised testing and the extreme social problems they have to deal with.

Do you dispute the evidence that I have given as support? There can be exceptions but I hold that, generally speaking, I am correct and your ox has been gored.

Your ox is a steer that won't pull its weight. All you're doing is repeating a stupid stereotype from the Reagan era. Just because there's a famous line from the movie An Officer and a Gentleman where Lou Gossett, Jr says "There's only two things that come out of Oklahoma -- steers and queers. Which are you?" doesn't make it true any more than your garbage does.

As for your "evidence", it has absolutely nothing to do with whether teachers "pay their dues". Moreover, SAT or GRE scores have little or no corelation to how good a teacher or a businessperson a student will be. All SAT or GRE scores do is help get students into the "right" colleges and/or grad schools.

I used to be a teacher, but decided to do something else that paid better and was less stressful (and I bet my SATs and GREs would have blown yours out of the water back in the day, too).

Just from your attitude, I know you've never faced a classroom full of inner city kids, half of whom don't speak English very well and the other half dress as "gangstas"! I bet you wouldn't last half a day in a middle school or junior high school classroom even in a classy upper class suburban school!

[casallc]

I had the same thought as War Horse. I teach at a University and casallc clearly doesn't understand what he/she is talking about. I have a B.A., two Masters degrees and a Ph.D. and I spent many summers in the pouring rain in rural Newfoundland doing field work to get those degrees - I suppose that wouldn't count as 'paying dues'. I have been teaching for almost 20 years and it is exhausting. It requires stamina to stand up for hours on end, creativity to find ways of getting the message across, and continual research to keep up with trends. Not to mention a thick skin when we have to deal with opinionated snobs like casallc.

I also teach Middle School and High School teachers in the summer and I would consider their jobs substantially more difficult than mine, with budgetary pressures, the constraints imposed by standardised testing and the extreme social problems they have to deal with.

Do you dispute the evidence that I have given as support? There can be exceptions but I hold that, generally speaking, I am correct and your ox has been gored.

Your ox is a steer that won't pull its weight. All you're doing is repeating a stupid stereotype from the Reagan era. Just because there's a famous line from the movie An Officer and a Gentleman where Lou Gossett, Jr says "There's only two things that come out of Oklahoma -- steers and queers. Which are you?" doesn't make it true any more than your garbage does.

As for your "evidence", it has absolutely nothing to do with whether teachers "pay their dues". Moreover, SAT or GRE scores have little or no corelation to how good a teacher or a businessperson a student will be. All SAT or GRE scores do is help get students into the "right" colleges and/or grad schools.

I used to be a teacher, but decided to do something else that paid better and was less stressful (and I bet my SATs and GREs would have blown yours out of the water back in the day, too).

Just from your attitude, I know you've never faced a classroom full of inner city kids, half of whom don't speak English very well and the other half dress as "gangstas"! I bet you wouldn't last half a day in a middle school or junior high school classroom even in a classy upper class suburban school!

Why is it when faced with facts that are irrefutable liberals want to deny and call names? I don't know why no one was offended by my suggestion of going “into government OR teaching“. I guess government workers are either: 1. guilty of my broad brush statement 2. unable to read or 3. not as sensitive to the truth as teachers. In that you quit teaching for better pay is reinforcement that “those who can , do“.

You are right I have never “faced a classroom full of inner city kids, half of whom don't speak English very well and the other half dress as "gangstas", simply because I chose not to. So shoot me because I chose not to teach. I do have a BS from OSU though. My sister did teach and was named teacher of the year in the state in 1974. Like you she left (went to work in the Federal Government) not for money, but because one of her English students had football scholarships to every powerhouse university in the country, but he couldn’t read. When the news media came to her to inquire why this kid couldn’t read - she told the truth. She had never seen him, the school administration told her he WOULD have a 3.0 average in her class. Understandably her teaching career was over.

To be honest I don’t remember what my SAT’s were, but I will also make another generalization - people who brag about their scores, usually that is all it is - brag. I went to school on the GI bill and hardly opened a book the entire 4 years and still made above average scores. So you and geowarrior can cry me a river about how tough it was.

How about some evidence that I am wrong instead of vitriolic personal remarks. Otherwise all who read will have to judge by evidence instead of hyperbole.

[zinn21]

What's the old saying? "Those who can do and those who can't teach.."

Just kidding... Agent, I got into the game by barter. I traded my video production experience in exchange for a trainer taking me under his wing and teaching me the game. Didn't take any shortcuts-I mucked stalls and rubbed five a day from the get go.. Some might say I got the short end of the shit stick but I wouldn't have traded those days for anything..

[casallc]

What's the old saying? "Those who can do and those who can't teach.."
Just kidding... Agent, I got into the game by barter. I traded my video production experience in exchange for a trainer taking me under his wing and teaching me the game. Didn't take any shortcuts-I mucked stalls and rubbed five a day from the get go.. Some might say I got the short end of the shit stick but I wouldn't have traded those days for anything..

Careful, you are about to get on the bad side of some overeducated delicate egos.