Annual Question

[Joe]

Once again I come to my anuual topic of "Who do I breed my mares to?". You've all been helpful in the past and I've changed my stock around and have two different mares. They are :

Miss Tilghman (Crafty Prospector- Bubbie Eva) Her 1/2 is running in a stake tomorrow night at Charlestown and her sister went SPR this spring at Tampa. She was a good runner and is currently in foal to Salt Lake for her first foal due in Feb 2005. She wil be 8.

Polish Socialite (Polish Navy - Social Business) She had a very nice Twining filly this year and I tried to get her back into foal with Harry the Hat and she slipped on me. I gave her the year off since she was getting late. She was unraced due to a tracheotomy, which she still has. She will be 13 and has shown an affinity for Seattle Slew lines.

Thanks to all for any advice. I have some ideas but wanted to see what you all thought.

[llbean]

Hi Joe,

I really like the match-up on Miss Tilghman and Mizzen Mast. It's 3x4 Graustark/His Majesty and 3/4 Caro/In Reality, who share War Relic and form a good nick.

(Bred to In Reality's dam Caro threw Remson (GI) winner Dr. Carrter and bred to a full sister of In Reality's dam he threw Carefully Hidden, the dam of an Irish classic winner; Caro and In Reality combined in Honour and Glory and 460K winner Cinarron Secret, who got the In Reality through a Crafty Admiral mare, hmm. Besides combining in products of the Unbridled/Caro cross such as Unbridled's Song and Red Bullet.)

Another plus is that Mehmet's best offspring by far was 2xGi winner and milionaire On The Line, and he was 1/3 Mehmet / Prince John, two stallions who would show up in the 3rd and 4th gen. of a Mizzen Mast-Miss Tilghman foal. Mehmet also got Ascot G3 winner Truly Met from a Caro mare. So Mehmet interacts well with both Cozzene's sire (from a very small sample) and damsire.

Since the foal would also be 4x5 Ribot, it's fair to ask how Cozzene has done with Ribot, and the answer is extremely well; they show 1/3 in Eclipse St. winner Enviroment Friend, BC Classic winner Alphabet Soup, and Canadian Turf Champion Hasten to Add. Also 1/4 in BC Turf winner Tikkanen.

Another good thing about Mizzen Mast is that the 3rd dam of your mare (Grey Matter) got Water Malone (dam of Maria's Mon) when bred to Caro.

Another you might want to do with this mare is double up on His Majesty and Hail To Reason, since they do well together and come from compatible female line lines (Maniac and St. Marguerite, see Fair Play/Rock Sand nick, HM's Tracery linebreeding, etc.). A promising young sire who ran some very nice times at a mile on the turf at Belmont is Forbidden Apple.

Forbidden Apple-Miss Tilghman would be 3x4 His Majesty and 5x5 Hail To Reason through his very good son Stop The Music and his very nice daughter Sensibility. Forbidden Apple also has a cross of Grey Flight (interacted well with this femfam in Marfa) in the 5th gen.

A nice thing about this mare is that she's a 3/4 sister to Music Prospector and her dam's a reverse on Derby winner Monarchos (Gray Matter/Graustark).

You also might want to double up on In Reality and Ribot-Flower Bowl. Old timer Waquoit would be 3x4 In Reality and 3x4 Graustark/His Majesty.

-llbean

[llbean]

Mizzen Mast-Miss Tilghman would also be 5x6 Stratmat/Portage; who share Case Ace, Fair Play, Rock Sand, and either Flying Witch or Burgee, both being examples of the Peter Pan/Broomstick nick.

llbean

[llbean]

Also your mare traces to a Endeavour mare and that ARg. bred and Mehmet's damsire Swaps both interacted well with the female line (Portage) of Cozzene in a little mare I like to call Fall Aspen.

-llbean

[Joe]

Thanks llbean, Mizzen Mast has been on my radar since last year, thanks to George Smith.

Forbidden Apple I saw run quite a bit as I often go to the NY tracks. In our situation in PA, I'm not entirely sold that we can make a go of it with a turf horse, as of now we can't unless we race in NY with a quality runner.

[KAL]

Being Mizzen Mast's third year makes him a much riskier choice... for the commercial market anyway. I read the pedigree analysis above and find one fault with it... it doesn't address what type of physical specimen Mizzen Mast is or what type of foal you may get.

Simply, Mizzen Mast is excellent. He is "right" and in the right places. I said after seeing him for the first time that I thought he would be a superior sire and I have not changed my mind yet. I can hardly wait for the November sale in hopes of seeing some of his foals. Personally, I sent two mares to him last year. If I like what I see in November, I will probably seek his services again in 2005.

[Opti-Mate]

What hi/lo price range are you looking for and which state(s)?

[Opti-Mate]

Also, sell or race?

[Domino]

For Polish Socialite you might want to take a look at Mutakddim. The pedigree on the resulting foal would be absolutlely loaded with La Troienne through her various descendents, always a good thing. Also results in a balanced 4x4 to Northern Dancer. He is also out of a Seattle Slew mare, which you said she has done well with. I would take a long look at this cross because when you can load up on La Troienne like that, you have the potential for great things. He stood at Hill n Dale for 10k last year, and i wouldn't expect to see a big hike in his fee for 2005. He's worth a look anyways, as he seems capable of getting some runners. Good luck.

[Joe]

I'm in PA and usually breed to race with some potential there to sell if needed.

[madelyn]

Good Grief! Mizzen Mast has moved to New Hampshire?

The talk about Gray Matter caught me upright; an acquaintance of mine has a daughter of a full sister to Water Malone. But in looking at the pedigree of Maria's Mon, he was out of Carlotta Maria by Wavering Monarch; it was Carlotta Maria who was out of Water Malone by Caro..

[Mahubah]

Purely on paper, Harry the Hat is a pretty good match with both mares, and Patton looks solid with Miss Tilghman as well. If I wanted to go crazy on the *La Troienne thing, I'd consider sending Polish Socialite to NY for a date with Say Florida Sandy; the fact that he was such a sound horse is also attractive given that the mare is unraced. Ditto with Slew City Slew in Kentucky, who is one reliable sire.

[Joe]

Mahubah, she did well with Slew City Slew before, producing a nice winner. The reason she wasn't raced, as I was told is that she had a breathing problem, was operated on as a 2YO and the operation went sour, she has a tracheotomy now and has for 9 years. None of her offspring have had any breathing problems.

The funny thing is my vet closed up her "trach" manually for 10 minutes and she breathes naturally through her nose, he said if I wanted I could close her up.

[louis finochio]

Crafty Prospector produced the goods when bred to these mares.

Superior Nicks from mare's that traced to their male line of (Chaucer)
4 mare's 4 winners 2 SW

Superior Nicks from mare's that traced to their male line of (Peter Pan)
8 mare's 6 winners 4 SW

Superior Nicks from mare's that traced to their male line of (Rabelais)
14 mare's 14 winners

Superior nicks from mare's that traced to their male line of (Swynford)
7 mare's 7 winners 2 SW

Try to find a stallion that has a combination of these sire line nicks. Example Stallion A 3 by 3 to (Peter Pan) Stallion B 3 by 3 to (Rabelais)




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