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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:34 pm 
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The highest GSV thread was pretty fun so I thought about another idea.

Which stallion has the best females in the first 4 generation and the arbitrary measuring stick will be measured by the most Stakes winners produced by each mare in the first 4 generations on top and bottom. A quick count gave A.P. Indy the best I could find. The mares in his first 4 generations have produced 45 Stakes winners. Anybody top that?

His dam and both granddams are reines and 10 of 15 are reines de course. The first 3 mares on the bottom side are double copies.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:00 pm 
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Bluegrass Cat, Bandini, Bernstein, Sky Mesa, Dayjur, Dr. Caton, Easing Along, Honour and Glory, Jump Start, Leroidesanimaux, Master Command, Mingun, Mutakddim, Pulpit, Rahy, Royal Academy, Seeking the Gold and Sky Mesa all jump to mind when looking at the quality of female families in each line of their pedigrees.

I'm sure most are comparable and some might even tally a little better than A.P. Indy, especially those with him in their pedigree coupled with other significant lines.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:32 am 
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El Prado

Lady Capulet
Cap and Bells
Ghazni
Fairy Bridge
Natalma
Special
Almahmoud
Lalun
Somethingroyal

Jazil

Better Than Honour
Con Game
Blush With Pride
Gold Digger
Broadway
Best In Show
Busanda
Victoria Regina

Mineshaft

Prospector's Delite
Weekend Surprise
Up The Flagpole
My Charmer
Lassie Dear
Gold Digger
Somethingroyal
Gay Missile

Ghostzapper

Baby Zip
Primal Force
Foggy Note
My Dear Girl
Victoria Regina
Sailaway (2nd dam of Kentucky Derby winner Lil E. Tee)

Stormy Atlantic

Hail Atlantis
Terlingua
Crimson Saint
My Charmer
Moccasin
Natalma
Somethingroyal
Alluvial
Rough Shod II

Aptitude

Dokki
Weekend Surprise
Alluvial
My Charmer
Lassie Dear
Natalma
Somethingroyal
Gay Missile
Almahmoud
Busanda


Tale Of The Cat

Yarn
Telingua
Narrarte
Crimson Saint
Gold Digger
State
Natalma
Somethingroyal


Cape Town

Seaside Attraction
Con Game
Kamar
Broadway
Gold Digger
My Charmer
Square Angel
Key Bridge
Busanda

Tiago

Set Them Free
Never Knock
Bebopper
Nothirdchance
Bebop II
Flower Bowl



Galileo

Urban Sea
Fairy Bridge
Allegreta
Natalma
Special
Thong
Almahmoud
Lalun
Gold Digger



Hennessy

Island Kitty
T.C Kitten
Terlingua
Crimson Saint
Natalma
Somethingroyal

Benchmark

Winter's Love
Sweet Tooth
Cold Hearted
Plum Cake
Two Lea
Natama
Blackball

Good Reward and Pure Prize

Heavenly Prize
Terlingua
Oh What A Dance
Con Game
Crimson Saint
Blitey
Somethingroyal
Gold Digger
Flaming Page
Natalma
Lady Pitt

Kingmambo

Miesque
Gold Digger
Pasadoble
Santa Quilla
Special
Natalma
Thong

Just to name a few

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:48 am 
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All great pedigrees no doubt but can any of those above mentioned stallions challenge A.P.'s amazing total of 45 stakes winners from the first 4 generations of the females in the pedigree? I think all but 2 of the 15 females in A.P.'s contributed to the total of 45. How many of those mentioned have a dam and both granddams that are reines de course? Some may match his total of 10 reines in the first 4 generations - perhaps. I think his double copy mares, 8, might be equalled or even exceeded but for total stakes winners followed by close up reines and total reines, I'm not sure he can be beat.


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Mustang Jock

Bushel-n-Peck
Duty Dance
Shenanigans
Relaxing
Discipline
Bold Irish
Eclair
Sweet Tooth
Flaming Page
Lady Be Good

Jock has 8 reines and 2 immediate double copies and 3 later single
copies in the first 5 generations. Not bad for a stallion standing for
$1000.


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Aldebaran has 14 champions in his first 4 dams. I have never added up the number of stakes winners, though.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:59 am 
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I think Bluegrass Cat may challenge in the years to come as he has an astounding 14 of 15 double copy mares and the dam and both granddams my be deemed reines by Ellen Parker and he already has 8 or 9 reines but the total of 45 stakes winners is still going to be tough to beat.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:05 pm 
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A worthy contender, CS, but just 32 Stakes winners by quick count.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:12 pm 
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jagger wrote:
A worthy contender, CS, but just 32 Stakes winners by quick count.


Interestingly though, in an extended 4 generation pedigree (from Sept last year - an equineline report 44B) he had 78 stakes winners.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:36 pm 
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Wow!! I'm not exactly sure how that number was derived. I think it depends on what the definition of "extended" pedigree is. I am just using the numbers mentioned in the profile of the mares on this forum.


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Dansili by Danehill-Hasili by Khayasi

Hasili-dam of

Dansili Group II winner

Bank's Hill 2001 Champion Turf Mare -won Br. Cup F&M Turf

Intercontinental 2005 Champion Turf Mare-won Br. Cup F&M Turf

Heat Haze winner of Gr. I Beverly D. S. and Gr. I Matriarch S.

Cacique winner of Gr. I Manhattan S and Gr. I Man O' War S.

Champs Elysee winner of Gr. II San Marcos H. 2nd French Derby

Danehill won Group I Ladbroke Sprint Cup as he is out of

Razyana who is also the dam of

Eagle Eyed- winner of Arligton Classic-Gr. II

Harpia-winner of Shirley Jones H.- Gr. III

Dansili's broodmare sire Kahyasi won Epsom and Irish Derby so his dam Kadissya is a classic producer

Roseliere the dam of Champion Ille De Bourbon is also the dam of Champion Rose Bowl

Dansili' s third dam Champion Sookera is the dam of Group I winner So Factual and Group III winner Bold Fact

Dansili is 4x4 on the legendary broodmare
Natalma

Dansil's sire Danehill has His Majesty as a broodmare sire who is out of



Flower Bowl the dam of

Bowl Of Flowers
Graustark
His Majesty

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:30 pm 
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Stallions with very strong female families

A.P. Indy by Seattle Slew-Weekend Surprise by Secretariat

Kingmambo by Mr. Prospector-Miesque by Nureyev

Theatrical by Nureyev-Tree of Knowledge by Sassafras

Smart Strike by Mr. Prospector-Classy 'n Smart by Smarten

Storm Cat by Storm Bird-Terlingua by Secretariat

Royal Academy by Nijinsky II-Crimson Saint by Crimson Satan

Mineshaft by A. P. Indy-Prospector's Delite by Mr. Prospector

Awesome Again by Deputy Minister-Primal Force by Blushing Groom

Kitten's Joy by El Prado-Kitten's First by Lear Fan

Ghostzapper by Awesome Again-Baby Zip by Relaunch

Empire Maker by Unbridled-Toussaud by El Gran Senor

Galileo by Sadler's Wells-Urban Sea by Miswaki

El Prado by Sadler's Wells-Lady Capulet by Sir Ivor

Dayjur by Danzig-Gold Beauty by Mr. Prospector

Lemon Drop Kid by Kingmambo-Charming Lassie by Seattle Slew

Shamardal by Giant's Causeway-Helsinki by Machivellian

Street Cry by Machiavellian-Helen Street by Troy

Sunriver by Saint Ballado-Ghoulash by Mari's Book

Rahy by Blushing Groom-Glorious Song by Halo

Sadler's Wells by Northern Dancer-Fairy Bridge by Bold Reason

Pioneering by Mr. Prospector-Terlingua by Secretariat

Strategic Mission by Mr. Prospector-Sultry Sun by Buckfinder

Jazil by Seeking The Gold-Better Than Honour by Deputy Minister

Seeking The Gold by Mr. Prospector-Con Game by Buckpasser

Fast Play by Seattle Slew-Con Game by Buckpasser

Gone West by Mr. Prospector-Secretttame by Secretariat

Master Command by A.P. Indy-Lady Lochinavar by Lord At War

Lost Soldier by Danzig-Lady Winborne by Secretariat

Pleasant Tap by Pleasant Colony-Never Knock by Stage Door Johnny

Fusaichi Pegasus by Mr. Prospector-Angel Fever by Danzig

Mecke by Maudlin-Beautiful Bid by Baldski

Menifee by Harlan-Anne Campbell by Never Bend

I do not know if any top A.P. Indy

Keith


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:16 pm 
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I thought you were standing a son of A.P., Keith. But I thought you lived in Indiana. Must be mistaking you with someone else.

It would take forever to check all those stallions but I really haven't found anyone close if the first standard of measure is # of stakes winners out of mares in the first 4 generations. Bluegrass Cat has an amazing 14 double copies - out of a possible 15 and he may end up with more reines.


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Empire Maker

Toussaud-dam of 5 SW's (4 Grade I and 1 Gr. II)
1. Empire Maker-winner of Belmont S.,Florida Derby, Wood Memorial S.
2. Chester House-winner of Arlington Million
3. Honest Lady-winner of Santa Monica H., 2nd Breeder's Cup Sprint
4. Chiselling-winner of Secretariat S.
5. Decarchy-winner of Frank E. Kilroe Mile H.

Gana Facil-dam of 2 Grade I Sw's
1. Unbridled-winner of Kentucky Derby and Breeder's Cup Classic
2. Cahill Road-winner of Wood Memorial S.

Image of Reality-dam of 3 SW's
Toussaud-winner of Gamely H.-Gr. I
Navarra-winner of Vineland H.-Gr. III
Image of Class-winner of Seaway S.

Killaloe-dam of 5 Sw's
1. Fappiano-winner of Metropolitan H.-Gr. I
2. Portroe-winner of Iroquois S.-Gr. III
3. Torrential- Winner of Prix Jean Pratt- Gr. I
4. Royal Troon-winne of Lake Minnetonka S.
5. Jedina-winner of High Voltage S.

Charedi-dam of 2 Sw's
1. Pentelicus-winner of Mayflower S., La Crosse H., etc.
2. Lloydminister-winner of Sprint S.

Sex Appeal-dam of 3 Sw's
1. El Gran Senor-won Irish Derby and general Accident 2,000 Guneas
2. Try My Best-won William Hill Dewhurst S.-Gr. I
3. Solar-won Railway S.-Gr. III

Edee's Image- dam of 1 SW
1. Image of Reality-winner of Milady H.-Gr. II

Gold Digger-dam of 3 Sw's
1. Mr. Prospector-won Gravesend H., Whirlaway S., etc.
2. Lillian Russell-won Cleopatra H.,Mint Julep H., etc.
3. Gold Standard-won Los Feliz S., Cortez H., etc.

Grand Splendor dam of 1 Sw
1. Paddock Park-won Jockey Club Cup H.

Anguar dam of 1 Sw
1. Le Fabuleaux-won Prix du Jockey Club

Magic dam of 1 Sw
1. Magnificence-won Queen Charlotte H.

Natalma dam of 4 Sw's
1. Northern Dancer-won Kentucky Derby,Preakness S.,etc.
2. Native Victor-won Canadian H.
3. Regal Dancer-won Jacques Cartier S.
4. Born a Lady-won Pearl Necklace S.

Best In Show dam of 4 Sw's
1. Blush With Pride-won Kentucky Oaks
2. Malinowski-won Craven S.
3. Monroe-won Ballyogan S.
4. Gielgud-won Laurent Perrier Champagne S.

My Dear Girl-dam of 7 Sw's

1. In Reality-won Florida Derby,Metropolitan H.,etc. 2nd Preakness S.
2. Return To Reality-won Philadelphia H., Sussex Turf H., etc.
3. Watchfulness-won Shrewsbury S.
4. Really and Truly- won Orange Blossom H.
5. Gentle Touch-won My Dear Girl S.
6. Superbity-won Flamingo S.,Tropical Park Derby,etc.
7. My Dear Lady-won Princess S.

Ortalan dam of 1 Sw
1. Walker's-won Sanford S.


A total of 43 Sw's close but no cigar.

Keith





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:49 pm 
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Lemon Drop Kid has 47 Stakes winners under the dams in the first 4 generations

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