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jellac
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Postby jellac » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:27 am

LOL >

Yesterday I watched the racing in Trinidad on TVG. Maybe our attendance would improve, along with TV coverage if we had those mostly naked ladies and guys on stilts?


When I was in Panama this summer I was surprised to find on my final night there that I was able to watch/bet the races at Lone Star! This was at one of the MANY "casinos" in Panama City that are associated with the major hotels. There was a virtually identical casino literally just a few blocks away at another hotel and I got the feeling that these were sort of a 'franchise' or chain operation. I wondered if each casino had to pay for it's own simulcast or if they shared a signal purchased by a single 'owner' of multiple casino outlets? The small (max capacity 40 -60 people) sport book area featured futbol (of course!), baseball (including some sort of IRM based on baseball that seemed particularly popular amng the Panamanians) and about 1/2 to 1/3 of the room was betting the ponies. (Another area which I didn't choose to venture into, twice as large or more was devoted to slots and table games, mostly to various slots/poker machines. I wonder if Texas could tweak the marketing of its Thoroughbred equine product by making a concerted effort to sell our signal to outlets/users in Central America/Carribbean nations? It might also be a great place to market an interest in our equine product, albeit on a small scale for export purposes. (I'm basing this largely on the HUGE success the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo has had over the years building up a viable relationship with ranchers/breeders from the various nations south of our border with their "International' hospitality committee. What began as a very small effort has forged longstanding and every growing commercial ties that are based on friendship/mutual appreciation. TAMU has also reached out to Central/South America with numerous extension courses that are marketed to ranchers, farmers in nations to the south of our border. Equine sports are very much alive and well in the Carribbean/Central/South American nations with hispanic influences and a ranching agrarian sector. Although Panama's area suitable for and devoted to the breeding of TBs is small they have some decent stallions, a very well operated, first class operation that cannot possibally provide all the horses needed to fill races (so - I am assuming they import from Ven, Columbia, Peru and Argentina, etc. - perhaps some from US?) and racing is popular with locals as I saw multiple large billboards announcing that live racing would soon return to P.C'.'s "Hippodromo". Does anyone posting/lurking here KNOW if any effort to increase our ties to Central/S. American breeders/trainers/owners is already being done or are all track simulcast signals necessarily sold as 'bundled' services, etc.?

A final question: When I recently rejoined TTA after a few years' absense I was solicited to provide questions/suggestions for a planned 'live' online forum of the TTA Board/membership but haven't heard anything back as to when this is scheduled/received any link for joining. Does anyone here know if this effort at communication is going to happen or not, and if so, when/how to access it? Did I somehow "miss" the date for this event?

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Postby tinners way » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:39 am

Hello Jellac, good to have you back.

The TTA webinar has been changed to a conference call format for Tuesday. Below is the information and instructions to participate. Hopefully it will be very well supported.



The TTA will host a conference call whereby members may have direct interaction with candidates seeking election to the TTA Board of Directors. This conference call will take place at 6PM CST on Tuesday, December 6th.

For calling instructions, please contact Mary in the TTA office at [email protected], fax to 512.453.5919 or phone to 512.458.6133. Your RSVP is necessary to insure that you are included in the conversation.

Please respond by noon on Tuesday, December 6th.

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Postby Gate2Wire » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:36 pm

Key, thank you for the informative letter you wrote to the TTA members expressing your views of the candidates. It was very informative and enlightening. I do however think you have been smoking some of your own mushrooms if you believe your ADW numbers to be accurate. You do realize for Retama to run at the 200k/day level you say your ADW platform would generate, it would take 24 MILLION dollars bet on that track to achieve that level? Same is true for SH. You say SH would run at 300k/day, so you believe SH could generate 39 MILLION from ADW? But best of all, you claim LS would run at 350k/day with ADW, so you believe LS would generate 45 MILLION? Do you not know how to read their dismal simulcast numbers and realize folks aren't betting much on the TX product?

Rog, this is how it works. The racing secretaries, with the exception of SH, look at the numbers to see how much is bet on each race and write the condition book accordingly. That's why you have Alw and MSW races with larger purses. Handle is where purse money comes from, it doesn't mysteriously fall from the sky, it doesn't come from beer sales, concession sales, concert sales, or admission fees. Folks, people are not betting on the tracks in TX, that's why purses and race dates have decreased.

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Postby Horsecrazy » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:29 pm

Exactly!

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Postby tinners way » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:23 pm

Gate, we have also helped with our own demise as well. At least now it appears that Global Gaming is saying take every initiative possible and let's see what we can get to stick.

I interpret Joe's numbers differently. You are basing the purses on the export numbers for each of the tracks. I am sure you know better, but if there was a Texas based ADW platform, all dollars wagered would contribute to purses, not just dollars wagered on races at Texas tracks.

Gate, it sounds like you are stuck on slots or nothing. Unfortunately, we all know what that gets us.

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Postby Horsecrazy » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:34 pm

Thanks
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Postby Horsecrazy » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:22 pm

Thanks
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Postby Roger » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:39 am

Rog, this is how it works. The racing secretaries, with the exception of SH, look at the numbers to see how much is bet on each race and write the condition book accordingly. That's why you have Alw and MSW races with larger purses. Handle is where purse money comes from, it doesn't mysteriously fall from the sky, it doesn't come from beer sales, concession sales, concert sales, or admission fees. Folks, people are not betting on the tracks in TX, that's why purses and race dates have decreased.[/quote]

This is common knowledge.
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Postby Roger » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:41 am

Gate2Wire wrote:Key, thank you for the informative letter you wrote to the TTA members expressing your views of the candidates. It was very informative and enlightening. I do however think you have been smoking some of your own mushrooms if you believe your ADW numbers to be accurate. You do realize for Retama to run at the 200k/day level you say your ADW platform would generate, it would take 24 MILLION dollars bet on that track to achieve that level? Same is true for SH. You say SH would run at 300k/day, so you believe SH could generate 39 MILLION from ADW? But best of all, you claim LS would run at 350k/day with ADW, so you believe LS would generate 45 MILLION? Do you not know how to read their dismal simulcast numbers and realize folks aren't betting much on the TX product?

Rog, this is how it works. The racing secretaries, with the exception of SH, look at the numbers to see how much is bet on each race and write the condition book accordingly. That's why you have Alw and MSW races with larger purses. Handle is where purse money comes from, it doesn't mysteriously fall from the sky, it doesn't come from beer sales, concession sales, concert sales, or admission fees. Folks, people are not betting on the tracks in TX, that's why purses and race dates have decreased.


Is this why the condition book never changes and has not changed in last 10 years?
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Postby Roger » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:42 am

I could not find the little x :D .
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Postby Roger » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:22 pm

I just got my condition book from SH and they have 4yr old and up maiden races. I called to make sure it was not a mistake and I was assured that they were going to try it this meet. I have a horse to train again. Thanks to everyone who had anything to do with this.
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Postby Horsecrazy » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:08 am

Unbelieveable. That will really increase the quality of the product. :roll:

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Postby tinners way » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:18 am

Roger, they have always run that way early in the year, keeping the 3 year olds separate on most of the Maiden Races and first level conditions.

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Postby Roger » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:09 pm

tinners way wrote:Roger, they have always run that way early in the year, keeping the 3 year olds separate on most of the Maiden Races and first level conditions.


I think they have always run 4 and 5 yr old maidens early in the year. They are now letting older than 5 race.
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Postby Roger » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:10 pm

Horsecrazy wrote:Unbelieveable. That will really increase the quality of the product. :roll:


Yeah, they are copying Churchill Downs and Monmouth.
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