I was offered a filly for cheap that I am going to buy tommorow and was looking for information on her bloodlines as I am unfamiliar with her sire and female family.Her name is Peameal and she is by Archer's Bay out of Bel Real by In Reality.I found a little bit about the first dams production which seems limited but cant find any info on anything else.What do the feel the residual value of this filly is as a broodmare?Is there anything in her bloodlines to suggest that?Any help is appreciated.Her record wasnt horrible as a 2yo and she is a good looking,big filly who i feel may have been immature for racing last year.
Thanks Ryeno
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this a joke..... right ?like you dont know that the 2nd dam is bel sheba ?? you have posted here how many times ? ha ha ! but if the .000001% chance that your serious.....i will pay the shipping send her to my place in ny.Ryeno wrote:I was offered a filly for cheap that I am going to buy tommorow and was looking for information on her bloodlines as I am unfamiliar with her sire and female family.Her name is Peameal and she is by Archer's Bay out of Bel Real by In Reality.I found a little bit about the first dams production which seems limited but cant find any info on anything else.What do the feel the residual value of this filly is as a broodmare?Is there anything in her bloodlines to suggest that?Any help is appreciated.Her record wasnt horrible as a 2yo and she is a good looking,big filly who i feel may have been immature for racing last year.
Thanks Ryeno
Buy this mare - race this mare and don't dispair if she doesn't prove a SW: be prepared to consider the breeding shed for this mare anyway.
This is THE direct branch, er "Main Trunk" of Female Family 20 that has propelled it into this century from Macaroon and her forebears. Some would suggest it is the only 'viable' branch of FF #20 to use in breeding to race.
Bel Real, a winner herself of modest proportions) is a daughter of the 5X winner and G-3 performer, Bel Sheba (Dam of the very great racehorse Alysheba, Port Master, Enjoy Plan, Titanic, and more - all sires great and not so great - and Grabelst, the Italian racemare and a producer herself.
Belthazar, her second dam was War Admiral's last foal and unraced but outstanding broodmare daughter, source of Lear Fan, etc. and from there you just march right on back through such productive greats as:
Blinking Owl/Baba Kenny/Betty Beal in direct line to Macaroon....and beyond.
Believe me as owner/breeder of a mare descending tail female from a lesser branch of F.F. # 20 I look on enviously (and studiously) at the richness of this filly's immediate female ancestors. <GREEN w/ envy!!> Still it is a family of somewhat hit or miss greatnes, running hot (Alysheba, earner of $6MM+ but an inconsistent sire) and cold (many well bred offspring of O/S pedigree either don't race, or do only modestly at the track and more than a few seem to die young) - you'll need to do your research of this FF's affinities and evaluate future stallions accordingly: Bill of Wa's Conduit Mares book may be a good start if this family has been included; the recently published book on Matriarchs (Mahubah's?) may be another and I know Ann Peters did a thorough analysis of this female family's illustrious history with a discussion of its future. IF you buy this mare with the intention of breeding her I would think a copy of Ann Peters' analysis well worth the price for the two notebook set - if only to set the historic stage for what has come before. I do note that not only are there quite a number of classic type runners (and some real marathoners going 14 furlongs in record time!) there is also a good deal of record setting speed in this female family's offspring - many of those records set at the longer, classic distances.....so I would think you might be able to breed for a lot of speed without completely losing the ability to go a distance of ground. Take a look at ALYSHEBA's resume on this database. (I think this Female Family has it's own website somewhere on the internet - I recall stumbling upon a lifetime list of all offspring worldwide and their accomplishments while looking into my mare's "family" - Sadly we're VERY distant cousins) Just off the cuff - From a very quick survey it seems that this family has been keen to combine with good results when bred to stallions of the Nasrullah, Lyphard and the Alydar/R.A.N./Native Dancer sirelines....although, of the latter I did not see where Mr. P - other than Fappiano - had been tried all that often and that with little/no success. Perhaps others on this Board can address why that might be???????
This is THE direct branch, er "Main Trunk" of Female Family 20 that has propelled it into this century from Macaroon and her forebears. Some would suggest it is the only 'viable' branch of FF #20 to use in breeding to race.
Bel Real, a winner herself of modest proportions) is a daughter of the 5X winner and G-3 performer, Bel Sheba (Dam of the very great racehorse Alysheba, Port Master, Enjoy Plan, Titanic, and more - all sires great and not so great - and Grabelst, the Italian racemare and a producer herself.
Belthazar, her second dam was War Admiral's last foal and unraced but outstanding broodmare daughter, source of Lear Fan, etc. and from there you just march right on back through such productive greats as:
Blinking Owl/Baba Kenny/Betty Beal in direct line to Macaroon....and beyond.
Believe me as owner/breeder of a mare descending tail female from a lesser branch of F.F. # 20 I look on enviously (and studiously) at the richness of this filly's immediate female ancestors. <GREEN w/ envy!!> Still it is a family of somewhat hit or miss greatnes, running hot (Alysheba, earner of $6MM+ but an inconsistent sire) and cold (many well bred offspring of O/S pedigree either don't race, or do only modestly at the track and more than a few seem to die young) - you'll need to do your research of this FF's affinities and evaluate future stallions accordingly: Bill of Wa's Conduit Mares book may be a good start if this family has been included; the recently published book on Matriarchs (Mahubah's?) may be another and I know Ann Peters did a thorough analysis of this female family's illustrious history with a discussion of its future. IF you buy this mare with the intention of breeding her I would think a copy of Ann Peters' analysis well worth the price for the two notebook set - if only to set the historic stage for what has come before. I do note that not only are there quite a number of classic type runners (and some real marathoners going 14 furlongs in record time!) there is also a good deal of record setting speed in this female family's offspring - many of those records set at the longer, classic distances.....so I would think you might be able to breed for a lot of speed without completely losing the ability to go a distance of ground. Take a look at ALYSHEBA's resume on this database. (I think this Female Family has it's own website somewhere on the internet - I recall stumbling upon a lifetime list of all offspring worldwide and their accomplishments while looking into my mare's "family" - Sadly we're VERY distant cousins) Just off the cuff - From a very quick survey it seems that this family has been keen to combine with good results when bred to stallions of the Nasrullah, Lyphard and the Alydar/R.A.N./Native Dancer sirelines....although, of the latter I did not see where Mr. P - other than Fappiano - had been tried all that often and that with little/no success. Perhaps others on this Board can address why that might be???????
Thank You to all who replied. I am sorry to the one's who think i am "pulling legs" but I came on to this great board because I am not familiar with bloodlines (other than the ones in my area) and have been on the other end of the sport and havent required breeding information in the past as I have never bred horses before.These will be upcoming ventures for me as it is now something that is attainable.I have trained horses for 8 years on and off and in that time I was usually spending my own money to purchase yearlings cheap and trying to develop them.When you are purchasing yearling for 1000-2500$ you sort of have to throw breeding out the window and go strictly on individuals looks and conformation.Another one of my type of horses that i have trained has been old cripples with back class that I have gotten very cheap and have had some success with them.Through the last year i have a client that has recognized my honesty and hard work and has rewarded me with some better quality horses.Not stake horses but mid level claimers rather than having a bunch of thousand dollar specials(which their is nothing wrong with).I have had a great deal of enjoyment with some of the members of the board that have taken the time to enlighten me on a vast array of questions that I have posted due to my serious lack of knowledge on the subject of pedigrees.Their help has been tremendously welcomed and I am already learning alot about pedigree's since i came on this board just over a month ago.The filly i posted is no joke. I am going to secure her this morning with my friend and previous partner who called me regarding this mare.Her current owners are not breeders and they run a commercial racing stable that generally deal with better quality runners and this filly didnt fit into their program.
Sorry for the long blather but I hope this clears up some of the questions that people had regarding me or this filly,and to the ones who have been helpful again I seriously cherish the time I have spent on this board learning from thoughful and helpful people!
Thanks Again,
Ryeno
Sorry for the long blather but I hope this clears up some of the questions that people had regarding me or this filly,and to the ones who have been helpful again I seriously cherish the time I have spent on this board learning from thoughful and helpful people!
Thanks Again,
Ryeno
"The easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the horseracing business is to start with 3 million!"
We got her!
Happy to report this filly has been secured as of 7:40 am PST!My partner and I are going to see her this afternoon.! Not sure as to our plans in the immediate future but due to her apparent value as a broodmare we may elect not to put her back in training.
Thanks Again
Ryeno
Thanks Again
Ryeno
"The easiest way to end up with a million dollars in the horseracing business is to start with 3 million!"