How to go about finding horses with specific bloodlines

[vineyridge]

If you were looking for horses with older and rarer bloodlines, how would you go about finding living representatives of those lines? I wouldn't care if the lines were carried through sires or dams or fillies or colts. Geldings wouldn't help.

I'm talking about descendants of certain exceptional lines for things like steeplechasing. I've pinpointed certain lines that I'm very interested in and need to find out where their descendants are.

I chase them down here through the progeny listings, but most of the time I either come to a dead end or there is no information about owners or breeders. And I cannot afford the JC.

I know the danged horses are out there, but I don't know how to find them. Today I ran down one line in Georgia from the information here and it took hours.

[kimberley mine]

What lines are you looking for?

[vineyridge]

Sires--
Independence (Bold Ruler's full brother)
Cormac
Hunters Moon IV (not the Selene one who got sent to Argentina)
Battleship
Annapolis
Sassafras
Sea Sick
Diplomat Way
Erin's Isle

Mares
Tana
Pova
Ponova
Quarantaine

Anything with Bonne Nuit, Great War or Bonne Cause in the Pedigree

These are either known sport horse producers or chasers or both. The chasers are from a time when people actually bred chasers in the US.

[kimberley mine]

Diplomat Way is most likely to be found in Florida, or through progeny of Skip Away.

Sassafras can be found through Theatrical or his close relative Forbidden Apple (Pleasant Colony over Northfields over Sassafras--that's a chasing pedigree if I ever saw one), or through Baynoun and Sandpit. Baynoun was standing in Brazil but may have some descendents in the US. Sandpit stood his entire career in the US; there's a person posting in the Mating Advice board with a mare called Territory Sand who (I think) has Sandpit as a broodmare sire.

[hpkingjr]

Dom Alaric was a useful son and source of Sassafras.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/dom+alaric

[Bondama]

I have a Diplomat Way great granddaughter for sale, and yes, I am in Florida! She is Diplomat Way on the bottom, and What a Pleasure/Bold Ruler on top. Her name is Diplomatic Pleasure. She is heavy in foal to our perlino dun stallion and due next month with a dilute appendix foal. Her last one was a stunning palomino filly with 3 socks and a huge star like mama's. If you are interested, PM me.

[sprucie]

For Bonne Nuit check this stallion out, http://www.pedigreequery.com/triple+twist
http://www.twistoffateeventing.com/tripletwist.html

[Bill from WA]

Hi

Another tactic you might investigate is to isolate some of the female families that have produced good runners over the jumps. Some "conduit" mares that are found tail female in better than average 'chasers (and a few stallions tracing to those same mares) are Aroon (23) (Bay Street Star, Globalize, One Nice Cat), Beaker (3L) (found mostly through mares), Fairyland (22a) (Jade Hunter, Tulyar), Nuneaton (11a) (Bartok, Acatenango), Queenie (10e) (Battleship, Vieux Manoir, Red, Surachai), and Sea Dune (1d) (Mocha Express, Vaguely Noble).

Bill

[jellac]

FYI - In the not too distant past - before the EquineNow.com banner ads became non-TB in nature - IF you found an advertised TB horse whose pedigree included such an ancestor such as the one's you're interested in, there was a feature where you could ask to see other listed horses whose pedigree also included that ancestor. Of course not all the horses listed have their pedigrees present and the rarer the individual searching for the fewer hits you might have but I've used it to find other 'Ambiorix' descendants upon running into such an individual by pure circumstance. Don't know if that featuer went away when the banner ads changed or not but you might check that out as another route to finding such horses as you might be interested in.

[jellac]

OK - it's still there: I just went into EquineNow.com and checked it out.

First select Thoroughbreds to veiw only ads that will have the TB pedigrees, then scan to see if you find one with the one pedigree element you're interested in such as Erins Isle, then click on "Erins Isle" in the pedigree that appears below the ad text.

You should get a selection of every other TB horse in EquineNow.com whose pedigree also includes Erins Isle.

I think you can also do a specific search by ancestor at this and many other equine online classifieds.

[vineyridge]

Bill, Queen Mary's female family has been very productive for jumping horses. Both Pova and Ponova (mother and daughter) trace to Lady Langden, and then back to Queen Mary. Lady Langden was Hampton's dam, and he was a chaser himself and a superb sire of horses who either could jump or could pass on the talent to jump.

Now I'm getting really interested in Lady Langden.

I had already found Queenie through Quarantaine, but she probably didn't send many of her descendants to the US.

Thanks for the leads to some of the other mares.

[madelyn]

La Vire produced Yaw, who was a phenomenal steeplechaser. She is my stallion's second dam. I have two colts by him out of a mare whose dam was by Theatrical.. is this the kind of thing you are looking for?

[xfactor fan]

Full Payment stood in California in 1985 he's out of a Sassafras mare.

[ellen]

http://www.pedigreequery.com/cor+magnifique

I have photos and a conatct # for this horse. If you're interested..

[Hold Your Peace]

Here's another resource.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/Pedigree ... igree.html

You have to have a Brisnet ID but it's free.

Enter the name you're looking for where it asks for "Pedigree Line Horse", leave year of birth blank, under Generation select all generations, and under search select all stallions.

I did a search with Battleship for example and came up with:

Vitello, stands in Ohio, and his third dam is by Battleship.

and

Late To Name, stands in Kansas, and his third dam is by Battleship.

You can enter either a male name or a female name where it askes for "Pedigree Line Horse".

This search is only going to return stallions with these names in their pedigrees but this Brisnet stallion directory has a ton of stallions in it (even backyard stallions that only cover a mare every other year).